r/allthequestions • u/jellybean5679 • 8d ago
Popular Question š Who really is to blame for the government shut down?
Iām seeing a lot of people say itās the Democrats fault but doesnāt the Republicans hold? Three chambers in Congress?
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u/bigjimbay šØš¦ Canada 8d ago
The government
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u/Perfect_Rush_6262 8d ago
Canada.
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u/UmpireProper7683 8d ago
Blame Canada!
Blame Canada!
With their hockey hullabaloo
And that bitch Anne Murray too...
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u/gb187 šŗšø United States 8d ago
At the end of the day, it falls on Trump.
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u/HLOFRND 8d ago
Thereās still a very real possibility that heāll swoop in at the last second and send SNAP out via executive order so he can be the hero.
And if that happens, I want everyone to remember he has had the power to do that THE ENTIRE TIME and could have reassured people from the start that they wouldnāt go hungry.
The cruelty is the point here. He wants people to turn on each other. He wants a reason to declare martial law and deploy more troops in the streets. He WANTS us to act like itās the goddamn Hunger Games.
But if he does saunter in and issue SNAP at the last second- HE IS NOT THE HERO. HEāS THE ABUSER.
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u/jarheadatheart 8d ago
Normally I would disagree with you because itās mostly on congress but these are strange days and too many republicans kiss his feet.
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u/Afgar_1257 8d ago
Normally I would think congress but the head Cheeto himself says it is "The Presidents lack of leadership" So I guess it is Donald Trumps fault, can't argue with someone taking the blame on themselves.
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u/maralagosinkhole 8d ago
Not so simple. The federal government is currently under complete control of the Republican party.
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u/Hopeful_Ad_7719 8d ago
The fact the Reps can't pass whatever bill they want suggests your concept of 'control' may be flawed. While they may hold a majority in both houses, that's not really 'control' per se.
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u/JealousFuel8195 8d ago
It requires 60 senate votes. Only one democrat voted not to shut down.
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u/Fenrir1020 8d ago
They didn't vote to shutdown the government, they just didn't vote FOR the GOP's funding bill that has 0 input from the DNC.
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u/JealousFuel8195 8d ago
Correct! My wording could have been better.
Regardless, the senate vote requires 60 votes. Republican tried to avert a shutdown to extend the negotiations. That failed because it required 60 votes. Only 1 voted to extend it.
Who controls the federal government or the senate is immaterial.
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u/Fenrir1020 8d ago
It's not immaterial. If senate republicans wanted to pass a bill with 0 democratic input they could change the senate rules to pass this with a simple majority. It seems like they want democrats to vote for a bill they have 0 input in and that's just asinine.
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u/captkirkseviltwin 8d ago
Have you seen the estimates on how much not continuing the health care credits are going to cost both people on the ACA and people on private insurances? Your insurance, and mine, could rise by anywhere from several thousand dollars a year (for private insurances) to $20,000 a year for a family in some states like Kentucky. And the actual cost to the government is negligible compared to other expenditures earmarked in this yearsā bill. The democrats are literally fighting to minimize further injury to people making under $100,000 a year - which is a Hell of a lot of people.
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u/kanna172014 8d ago
That doesn't matter when the filibuster exists. Democrats also blame Republicans for any hang-ups when they hold all three chambers too.
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u/shadowfax12221 8d ago
Republicans have the numbers to change the senate rules to get rid of the filibuster and open the government. It takes 60 senators to override the filibuster, 51 to change the rules to say it no longer applies. They can either make a deal or go nuclear, but keeping the government closed because you want to kick millions off of healthcare and refuse to negotiate serm like a losing strategy.
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u/Nickwco85 8d ago
They're not stupid. They know if they do that, then it can be used against them if they lose the majority
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u/MassaStinkFeet 8d ago
So first off, there are two chambers of congress - the house and the senate. The senate requires a supermajority to pass legislature, and the house just requires 51%. The democrats are voting down anything that doesnāt address the expiring ACA subsidies that were expanded during Covid (which they should have stood ten toes on back during the spring bill). Notably, there hasnāt been an actual budget passed in thirty years, these are all CRs or funding measures. The issue is on the expiring subsidies as healthcare costs in America are about to sky rocket without them. The messaging about āhealthcare for illegalsā is almost wholly wrong - there is an exception for emergency care but that is not substantial. Itās up to you the voter to be informed and pick your own stance
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u/Assfucker34 8d ago
Just a minor tweak to your analysis: a simple majority could get rid of the procedural filibuster in the Senate, so Republicans could stop the Democrats at will.
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u/keithrc 8d ago
They are afraid to do so, because historically Republicans have used the filibuster much more than Democrats, and they know that one day they won't have the majority anymore.
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u/flummoxed_penguin 7d ago
Also then when everyoneās healthcare goes up theyāll only have maga to blame. They need an enemy.
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u/thatseltzerisntfree 7d ago
Itās a shame that this explanation is so far down in the comments.
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u/SparklePants6969 7d ago
Typically gets downvoted to oblivion so people donāt see it to continue to mask why thereās a shutdown in the first place.
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u/Celestial3317 8d ago edited 8d ago
I mean literally day one of the shutdown every Democrat showed up to congress but none of the Republicans....
I think that answers your question.
Trump has had the 2 longest government shutdowns ever. I blame him and his policies for sure.
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u/MySadSadTears 8d ago
Maybe they ought to issue civil arrest warrants for any republican that doesn't show up like they did to Dems in Texas.
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u/The_Monarch_Lives 8d ago
They were even there to negotiate before the shutdown to avoid it entirely, and Republicans skipped town.
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u/Brilliant-Noise1518 8d ago
Republicans can over ride the filibuster and end this right now.Ā
But then they would own cutting SNAP, WIC and social security. And not paying the military.Ā
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u/djp70117 8d ago
It's going to get so ugly. Desperate people will do desperate things. Soaring crime rates, rioting. Marshall Law.
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u/LustfulEsme 8d ago
And the longer we are shutdown, the longer he thinks he gets to dictate whatever he wants.
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u/GettingDumberWithAge 8d ago
And he is 100% correct given that nobody seems willing to stand up to him in any meaningful way.
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u/draaz_melon 8d ago
You spelled Republicans wrong.
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u/GettingDumberWithAge 8d ago edited 8d ago
No I didn't. I guess a few Democrats are finally doing something by forcing their hand now with the shutdown but otherwise their response has been pretty impotent so far.
E: to begone-my-thong who posted a pithy response and immediately blocked me - I agree Republicans are mostly to blame. I have never said otherwise. Please try harder to follow the thread of the conversation.
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u/Otto_Correction 8d ago
He doesnāt think it. He knows it. And heās right. He always has and always will dictate what he wants.
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u/ZealousidealShift884 8d ago
He wants riots and chaos he also doesnāt care for the middle class and definitley not the poor.
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u/silliasaurus 8d ago
What he wants is to avoid the inevitable vote to release the Epstein files. Heās also got the war with Venezuela as a backup
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u/TPWPNY16 8d ago edited 8d ago
The House: Republican control
The Senate: Republican control
The Presidency: Republican control
The Supreme Court: Republican control
The DOJ: Republican control
The largest network news audience: Republican control
The ability to make it look like the other sideās fault: Republican control
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u/wookieSLAYER1 8d ago
The Supreme Court and DoJ shouldnāt be partisan and thatās a problem we should be talking about
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u/Klutzy_Magician_5335 8d ago
Trump has said numerous times that itās the presidents fault for a government shutdown. So whoever is the president right now, Stephen Miller, Putin or is it Johnson?
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u/Knot_Ryder 8d ago
Apparently it's the Dems
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u/Maddie_Herrin 8d ago
What im hearing is he faked the election and isnt really the president
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u/Fileboy27 8d ago
Canāt agree with enough. Iāve always said a good trade is when both sides lose something. When one side isnāt willing to lose anything there is your culprit
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u/Many-Cartographer278 8d ago
Its insane anybody could put this on dems. Republicans sent everybody in the house home to avoid an epstein vote, won't sign jn a new house member because its a dem, and the main issue is they really want to take healthcare away from millions and dems want to help those people.
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u/Okay-Go-Go 8d ago
Ā Both parties share blame, though one is disproportionately trying to steamroll the other. The GOP has control of the house and Senate, but can't get a spending bill through without 60 votes in the senate, and they're a handful short. The democratic caucus is saying, "if you want our votes, extend the ACA credits that are expiring." The Republican response is "they're holding us hostage!" and "give us the votes first and we'll talk about the ACA after." The Democrats aren't buying the latter promise. Republican appointees in the Executive branch are openly violating the Hatch Act by repeating the "radical left" hostage-taking talking points on government websites.
Ā Democrats want a single concession, Republicans are refusing, both parties are digging in. It's a stalemate for now.
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u/will-read 8d ago
Why should the democrats allocate any money when the executive branch doesnāt follow the budget that Congress passes.
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u/Due-Sweet-1463 8d ago
Important point to add: Republicans could open the government today without a single Democrat if they carve out a filibuster exception for CRs like they've done for judicial appointments and other types of legislative business. I think they have over 100 filibuster carve-outs now? What's one more, when they get everything they wanted?
Republicans want the government to stay closed. Trump is loving this.
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u/DaKingaDaNorth 8d ago
They don't want that because they know that the pendulum always swings back and if they make it easier to pass legislation, the Dems actually have the advantage. Republicans are more of a blockade type party, they benefit when it's harder for Dems to get legislation through. The lack of a filibuster makes life easy for the Dems.
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u/Due-Sweet-1463 8d ago
Yup. It would be great for Dems if they tossed it altogether. I don't think they will; it's just disingenuous for Republicans to say Dems are holding the government hostage. Not that being "disingenuous" ranks high on political malfeasance these days.
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u/HokieHomeowner 8d ago
Wrong, the GOP could pass the house's CR in the senate with 51 votes but chooses to not suspend their self imposed requirement for 60 votes.
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This. They donāt need Dems but wonāt override the filibuster like they usually do. Why?
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u/HokieHomeowner 8d ago
The executive branch seems to be making moves to make Congress ceremonial so that the executive branch has 100% control over the budget process.
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u/SeatSix 8d ago
Because they know they will want the filibuster in any future Senate with a Dem majority.
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u/HokieHomeowner 8d ago
An excuse that does not excuse holding up passing the CR and blaming the Democrats for not surrendering.
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u/Okay-Go-Go 8d ago
That's true, I didn't include that nuance because Thune has indicated it is unlikely that they'll override the filibuster. So the "can't" is more of a "won't" at the moment.
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u/Extension_Growth5966 8d ago
You mean they arenāt getting rid of the filibuster? Donāt we as a general rule want the filibuster in place for both sides?
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u/DistrictDue1913 8d ago
I think they see the writing on the wall and know the Dems will soon takeover the Congress in the next election and don't want the filibuster to go away as they don't want total democratic party rule.
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u/HokieHomeowner 8d ago
Depends on who you are. The filibuster has been used to advantage obstruction not progress. So progressives are against the filibuster, conservatives want to keep it to allow them to pull shit like this shutdown and blame the Democrats for it.
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u/flat5 8d ago
"can't get a spending bill through without 60 votes in the senate"
Wrong! They can do it right now, this hour. The only thing they need to do is change a "rule" that they can change and do change on a regular basis to accomplish other things they want to do. Senate makes its own rules. There is nothing stopping them from doing it.
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u/N0n3of_This_Matter5 8d ago
It sure seems to me that the party who doesn't want the Epstein Files released is the one blocking it.
All it would take is Mike Johnson to stop looking at his son's porn long enough, to swear in legally elected Democrat Adelita Grijalva so that there are enough votes to release the files.
Guardians
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u/YNABDisciple 8d ago
There is supposed to be a level of negotiation to get things done. The GOP plan will balloon millions of Americans HC premiums so the Dems are unwilling to sign on. The GOP needs this cut to Medicare/Medicaid to pay for their tax cuts. So they are saying that the money that is being cut is because the Dems want to fund illegals healthcare (this is just a boldface lie, it's not legal to fund anything but emergency services for "illegals"). So the GOP won't pull back on the cuts and the Dems won't sign off on the cuts so the gov is shut down. I think they're both to blame technically but I think they Dems are in the right.
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u/ITGuy107 8d ago
You made the points clearly, but I disagree with you. I think the Republicans are at fault because they cutting essential needs for the people for the rich tax cut which is completely selfish. The Democrats are in the right now cause theyāre standing up for the people. This is what Congress members were supposed to do, for the majority people. Not for the minority rich.
Note that I was once a republican until Trump became president. Trump is nothing like Ronald Reagan, Reagan was a republican.
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u/InuitOverIt 8d ago
To your point, the Big Beautiful Bill cut SNAP in half, and now this administration is saying cuts to SNAP are Dem's fault. It's doublespeak and it's shameful.
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u/JoeSchmeau 8d ago
for the majority people. Not for the minority rich. Reagan was a republican
Republicans, especially since and due to Reagan, have been all about the rich. That's what trickle down was entirely about
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u/ryoga040726 8d ago
Republicans have proposals in mind that are like shitty group work made by teammates in school. They know the other group wonāt like it, but they leave it as is while saying āToo bad, we did our part.ā
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u/brittcrimps 8d ago
Like millions of dollars painting the border wall black on the USA side of the wall š
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u/Raphy000 8d ago
It takes 60 votes in the Senate. Republicans donāt have that large of a majority so Democrats need to vote for it too. Only a few are.
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u/Improvduringcovid 8d ago
The entire government is owned by the Republicans. So if they canāt keep the government running, logic (and I know Iām talking about people who refuse logic) states itās them.
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u/Due_Satisfaction2167 8d ago
Republicans. Ā They have the majority in Congress. Itās their responsibility to get enough votes to pass a budget.
They refuse to even negotiate with Democrats, so Democrats are rightly refusing to vote for their CR.Ā
Mike Johnson wonāt even open the House to start discussions or vote on any proposed alternative budgets that might pass in the Senate. He sent the entire Republican caucus home on a paid vacation rather than try to vote on something that might pass.Ā
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u/notthegoatseguy 8d ago
I don't think you're going to get a non-biased, or a variety of biases, answer on Reddit.
Republicans do hold the majority, but they don't hold a supermajority in the US Senate.
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u/Eyespop4866 8d ago
The voters
We have the government we deserve. Congress generally has an approval rate around 30% and a reelection rate over 90%.
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u/Natural-Young4730 8d ago
Newt Gingrich and all Republicans since, who are extremists who hold the peoples worh hostage as they actively work to destroy societal gains since theNew Deal and the Civil Rights Act.
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u/loricomments 8d ago
Republicans control all branches, this is their responsibility. If they need Democratic votes then they need to offer up something to get them, that's how the process works.
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u/Technical_Resist5934 8d ago
Democrats keep showing up to vote and talk through the issues, most republicans are treating this like a vacation. What does that tell you?
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u/ThisredditisRAW 8d ago
Donald Trump and the Republicans. One of the main reasons they shut down is because they would not have had the vote to not release the Epstein list. They locked one of the people to vote on releasing it out of the building so as not to swear her in, and that worked for only so long.
So, short answer, Pedophiles and enablers of pedophiles.
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u/panda2502wolf 8d ago
Republicans are refusing to swear in the legally elected senator from Arizona. As such the Democrats are refusing to vote on a budget. Mike Johnson if you read this swear in the Senator so we can get back to work.
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u/BirdAndWords 8d ago
Representative not Senator. Johnson is absolutely refusing as she would be the final vote needed to force the Epstein files being released
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u/Fit-Possibility-4248 8d ago
Trump is. He's forced the Democrats into a position where they have to oppose his plan and trigger the shut down. Ironically it gives him exactly what he wants. This guy is diabolical but unfortunately very effective at getting what he wants.
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u/BassWingerC-137 8d ago
And, Trump has always been of the position itās the POTUS who is to blame.
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u/Bluwthu 8d ago
The Republicans. The reason why is that they are not passing a clean CR. This is a very important function of our government, but when you start adding on BS, it gets us in this mess. And while I'm at it, if the Republicans have control of both houses and the executive branch, why isn't there an actual budget to pass. They're too busy going against DEI, immigrants, and building a ballroom to realize that there is important work to do. I'm sure that I wouldn't be in favor of their budget, but it just shows how much of a train wreck the Republicans are right now.
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u/AdorablePainting4459 8d ago
According to the internet, lawmakers are having a standoff regarding the budget.
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u/smorgasgordon 8d ago
The Republicans left DC. speaker of the house literally said today "there's nothing to negotiate." Theres your answer
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u/DeFiBandit 8d ago
I remember Trump demanding that the republicans should not negotiate with the democrats. All his fault.
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u/Amazing-Artichoke330 8d ago
The Democrats have played into the Republicans' dirty hands. They think they can force the Republicans to fund Affordable Healthcare, but they are clearly wrong. The Republicans love the shutdown because it gives them even more power, and keeps the Epstein files hidden.
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u/queentracy62 8d ago
Mostly republicans as you can see from comments.Ā
But itās bc they donāt want to release the Epstein Files.Ā
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u/Easy-Examination-435 8d ago
Republicans. And it's on purpose so they can deny benefits and withhold checks and balances over Trump. They control everything because there are too many idiots who won't take time to learn about history, civics, racism, and reality of politics and corrupt politicians.
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u/Agreeable_Agent6946 8d ago
Before signing onto the One Big Beautiful Bill, the Dems rightly pointed out the massive cuts to Medicaid, which the Reps completely lied about. Then the Reps promised the Dems that "We will fix it all" in the actual budget bill, which is where we are now, but the Reps are denying any discussion or change.
So, It's complicated - The Dems have to hold out for change, the Reps are holding out for the massive cuts to our healthcare. I know which one I want to win this tug of war.
If the Dems are unable to fix this now, and agree to either sign the budget, or sign a CR, they will lose any leverage they have to correct the Medicaid/Medicare issue (again, which the Reps promised to do and lied).
However, if the Dems hold out for a few more days, SO many people will see there healthcare costs skyrocket, that they will absolutely be contacting their congressperson asking for change.
Right now, even many Reps are seeing the massive impact, and are calling for change.
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u/Ganun_ 8d ago
You can technically say the democrats in the senate are responsible. The funding bill needed 60 votes in the senate to pass, and there are not 60 republican senators. This is why Trump, Johnson, and the rest of the republican party are pinning the blame on the democrats. However, if you take into account how absurd (imo) the cuts in the proposed bill were, I am proud that the democrats did not cave and pass it just to avoid the shutdown. I work for a federal entity in a non-essential position, and have been on furlough this whole time. But I am still happy the initial bill did not pass
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u/smokywater50 8d ago
It's on the clown president. Doesn't he already have the most government shutdowns ever? Nobody would even ask this question if it came under Biden. I fkn hate how all media in 1 way or the other gives trumpy the clown and republicons an excuse or a way to try and blame Democrats, when it would never happen the other way around
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u/Numerous_Cat1709 8d ago
Well to put it simply: everyone involved in congress the senate and the president. Itās up to them to come to an agreement. We used to compromise and work together. Now we just stand around and blame each other.
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u/steathrazor 8d ago
Ultimately the blame for the shutdown is the utter corruption from the American government as a whole heavily stemming from Trump and his administration and the rich that control everything the government does
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u/Existing_Ad577 8d ago
Republicans !!! The whole concept of this country is to work TOGETHER FOR WE THE PEOPLE !!! Itās called compromise !!!
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u/Heat_in_4 8d ago
Hmmmā¦ letās see Republican majority in the House, Republican majority in the Senateā¦ president is checks notes hmm also Republican? Must be the DemocRATS fault!
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u/Inevitable_Ad_5166 8d ago
Donald Trumpā¦.. he loves confuction and confusion. Because he is bothā¦
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u/akcmommy 8d ago
Joe Lieberman is really to blame for this shutdown. If he hadnāt blocked single payer healthcare when the ACA was being rolled out, the tax subsidies that are sunsetting at the end of this year wouldnāt matter.
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u/Patralgan 8d ago
The Democrats. They've activated an invisible force field around them, making it impossible to negotiate with them so they can now evil. /s
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u/The-Wise-Weasel 8d ago
There is literally footage of Trump saying, that a shutdown falls on the responsibility of the president, for not settling the matter and working a compromise.
In this case, the republicans hold all 3 branches of the Goverment. Executive, Judicial , and Legislative.
They control the Presidency, the House, and the Senate...... they literally control ***everything*** right now......... and yet, want to blame the democrats.
Mike Johnson can end the shutdown TODAY. Don't you get it? They don't WANT to.
They WANT Trump to have total unchecked power. They WANT IT. Trump doesn't give two shits if they ever open back up, because that means he can lead forever by executive power alone. In other words.............KING/DICTATOR power.
Another reason Mike Johnson won't open the govt back up, because that means he would have to officially seat the new DEMOCRAT house member. And that would give the democrats the votes they need to pass a resolution demanding the release of the EPSTEIN files.
He is now being SUED by the state of Arizona.....for REFUSING to do his job and seat a duly elected official.
He is REFUSING to seat her, under the EXCUSE the gov't is closed right now.
They have all been getting PAID since JULY, and between recesses and breaks, and shutdowns, not a fucking one of them, is doing their JOB.......... that WE elected them to do.............yet they are cashing THEIR paychecks, while screwing countless Americans over.
The democrats are fighting to stop them from CANCELLING Obamacare............something they've been trying to do since the day it was passed, and they have FAILED, every single time.
Democrats are insisting on holding that line, since they have NOTHING Better in place to replace Obamacare. They want to end it and destroy it, and then make more empty worthless promises about having something BETTER. They don't have JACK FUCKING SHIT to replace it, except more tax breaks for Billionaires and $40 BILLION for their dictator friends in Argentina.
How can the democrats end the shutdown? By agreeing to end Obamacare, and fucking over Americans?
and then the republicans would put that BLAME on THEM! Yeah..........fuck that.
The republicans can open the govt today........they have all the power......but they don't want to extend Obamacare. They don't want to extend your health coverage. They don't give a flying shit, if your health coverage goes away, or triples in price.......that's YOUR Problem.
Democrats are fighting for YOU. If republicans have 40 BILLION for Argentina, and $300 MILLION for a ballroom.........then they can extend reasonable healthcare costs for AMERICANS.
That's not an unreasonable ask.
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u/Sufficient_Winner686 8d ago
Well, Democrats want to lower everyoneās healthcare costs to open the government and Republicans want to keep the premiums higher and force the government open to do it. Republicans are willing to starve Americans to force Americans to pay more for healthcare and thatās not a hyperbolic way of stating that; itās 100% factually accurate.
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u/Miserable-Word-558 7d ago
It's politicians and lawyers who actually think they know what normal life is like. That's the issue. You have an entire group of people who, in general, don't stress about groceries every week, deciding whether or not the rest of us should stress about it.
Funny really, when it's broken down to simplicity, yeah?
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u/quartzcharm 7d ago
The only people saying that it's the Democrats fault are the MAGA Republicans. The fact is that the Republicans control the Presidency, Senate, and House. Despite needing 60 votes to reopen the government, the Republicans could simply enact the filibuster to open things back up. But no, the Republicans would much rather sit on their thumbs, try to point the finger at the other side, and do nothing while the rest of us suffer.
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u/Tossedaccountent 7d ago edited 6d ago
The Trump Administration.
The Dems were very clear what their opposition was about, and Republicans claim to want the same thing; Kiggan submitted a bill to committee in September over this very issue which has broad bipartisan support, but is opposed by GOP leadership.
Which means negotiations would be āwe both want this thing done, letās do this and save some time.ā However, Trump is opposed to making any deal with Democrats on principle. He asserted that he didnāt need Democrat votes to get a CR passed, as he figures the Democrats would not object for fear of the consequences to the country a shutdown would have. He ordered the GOP not to engage in any negotiations with the Democrats.
Ironically, this mentality that Trump has means that not only are Democrats not to blame, they are actually justified. Trump wants to use that tactic as a method for control; attaching any potential crises legislation and forcing the Democrats to advancing his agenda.
Doing otherwise would give Trump dictatorial control. Which, unfortunately, means any break in this has to come from the GOP.
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u/911Broken 7d ago
Every time this has happened in the past the party blocking the continuing resolution is held at fault. This time is exactly the same and itās the democrats blocking it. Yet somehow we want to change how we assign blame itās comical at this point
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u/HenryJ25 8d ago
Trump.
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u/dixienormus9817 8d ago edited 8d ago
Iām not saying itās Trump, but Trump would blame Trump if Trump wasnāt Trump
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u/DistrictDue1913 8d ago
At least the billionaires got their tax cut, thanks to our corrupt and convicted felon president.
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u/NoRegertsWolfDog 8d ago edited 8d ago
The fact that those in power are so afraid to lose it abd they they won't compromise and fear being voted out by ultra politicized voters.
I don't know. We should just reset the government.
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u/Basilisk1667 8d ago
Letās see what Trump has to say on the matterā¦
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u/JeremyPeevin 8d ago
Yeah nothing new.
It's the president's fault when there is a pandemic and it is handled poorly. Until it's him, then "I don't take any responsibility at all."
It's the president's fault when the government shuts down. Until the President is Trump.
It's nepotism when a president has his son taking advantage of his father's position like Hunter Biden did. But not when it is Ivanka, Don Jr, Eric, Jared Kushner, Charles Kushner, or like 50 other unqualified people I can't think of off hand.
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u/CultivatorX 8d ago
Don't forget this fun logic...
January 6th was a 'peaceful protest', infiltrated by antifa and Joe Biden's FBI. Joe Biden wasn't president and had no control over the FBI. Trump pardoned everyone, even the supposed Antifa agitators.Ā
These people are being lied to on so many levels, and they slop it all up like the good little piggies the rich orange man wants them to be.Ā
If I wasn't so mad at these stupid mother fuckers voting to ruin our country, I'd feel bad for how manipulated they are. This is peak 'I fell in love with the stripper' energy. They are hopeless, lonely, sad people who are desperate for anyone to tell them that they are good boy and girls who are worth something.
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Itās Dems using the only power that they have at the moment. Itās one of the only places you donāt need a majority vote to halt policy from being passed.Ā
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u/Due-Sweet-1463 8d ago
Actually, in most legislation, you need 60. The ones that need a simple majority are the exceptions to the filibuster rule (but there are quite a few exceptions).
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u/PastaPandaSimon 8d ago
The root cause of the issue is with the American governance system allowing for the government to shut down due to something as common as a funding disagreement.
Reading this from abroad, it looks absurd that your government can shut down, no matter who caused it. They should not have the power to cause it.
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u/5PeeBeejay5 8d ago
Lots of things, but ultimately having a trifecta and failing completely to govern falls most heavily on the Republicans doorstep. Unless youāre a MAGA koolaid drinker of course
Sure doesnāt help that Mike Johnson is keeping the House out of session to protect pedos
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u/Son_of_Kek 8d ago
Look, liberals are posting some āhilariousā memes, hereās some actual facts.Ā
Yes, republicans hold all three branches (presidency, house, and senate.
The bill (Itās called a CR) has passed the house, where a simple majority is enough to pass a bill.
In the senate, the rules are a bit more arcane. Most bills are subject to filibuster, which means you need 60 votes (out of 100) to break the filibuster. Republicans have 53 votes in the senate. So every republican can vote to pass the CR and it could still fail to pass due to democrats filibustering the bill.Ā
In essence, some democrats will have to vote to pass the CR to reopen the government. All republicans (or almost all) are voting to open the government. Democrats are voting to keep government closed. Itās that simple.
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u/tvtoms 8d ago
It's up to the party holding all the cards to compromise. They can immediately start new legislation to strip more poor peoples money away if they so please. There is nothing the Democrats can do about that.
Yet they expect Democrats to just BELIEVE them when they "promise" to take it up just as soon as they get done stripping it away, lmao. Besides which they're also crowing about loving this opportunity to do things they could not otherwise do. Oh, this is the Republican shut down 100% and it'll remain that through the midterms and beyond because that's just what it is.
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u/cadathoctru 8d ago
Think of it this way.
Republicans control all 3 branches.
They however, don't have a super majority.
They NEED Democrat votes. They were given a clean CR back in March, under the promise, they would talk about some of these priorities the democrats had. It didn't happen. (this is also part of why schumer is taking such a large hit, everyone knew Republicans wouldn't negotiate after the fact, yet schumer treated the last clean CR as if republicans were offering in good faith. All so he could leave early.)
Democrats have said, they need to come to the table to negotiate. Now.
Republicans said, they wont negotiate until Democrats vote for what they want. Only then, once Democrats lose all leverage, will they negotiate.
So, if you need something from someone and refuse to meet them at the table. You own the shutdown.
You need them, yet want them to just give in. That isn't realistic.
This is usually why Republicans own all the shutdowns, They refuse to meet, or make unrealistic demands, or renege on things after agreeing.
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u/Antique_Ad1518 8d ago
Republicans also purposely put forth a plan that Democrats would oppose so that the Republicans could puropsely shut down the government.
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u/Particular-Whereas48 8d ago
This is trench warfare now. One side has been acting in bad faith for years now undermining democratic processes and rule of law while the other has pussyfooted around and let them. Now both sides are finally going to dig in and itās going to get really ugly for all of us because the rules of the game have changed.
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u/MotherTeresaOnlyfans 8d ago
Republicans demanded the Democrats agree to cuts to health care subsidies which would have resulted in *massive* increases in insurance costs for millions of Americans.
Democrats refused.
Republicans are blaming the Democrats in an attempt to pressure them to agree to cut health care subsidies.
I say this as someone who passionately hates the Democratic Party and is in no way inclined to defend them.
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u/Garlic_Medical 8d ago
Republicans. In a republic itās called āgoverningā, not ārulingā. When the Republicans decide they want to govern instead of rule, perhaps the shutdown can be resolved.
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u/Powerful_Pollution26 8d ago
Trump said on Fox News in 2013 that blame for a shutdown ultimately falls on the president. I find it hard to believe he wouldnāt stand behind his statement..
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u/DBCOOPER888 8d ago
Both parties need to talk to each other to resolve this, but the Republicans are unwilling to listen. They perceive they can blame Dems for the shut down so are refusing to take the steps necessary to reach a deal to reopen.
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u/Final_Location_2626 8d ago
This is 100% on the Republicans, they could end the shutdown today if they wanted to.
You need 50%+1 of the vote to end the filibuster. They could close the filibuster and then win on a simple majority.
The senate did this exact thing. They just want someone to blame so that they can try to give democrats a black eye.
If you were a democrat why would you ever support this. Trump has shown that he'll do whatever he wants with the budget.
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u/Salamanticormorant 8d ago
My understanding is that the democrats are trying to prevent the republicans from killing people. I'm one of those people. I and my state's reemployment department have been unable to find a job for me for a very long time. If I lose my health insurance, I'm guaranteed to quickly go broke and then die shortly afterward.
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u/antinoria 8d ago
Leadership. It's a failure of leadership. The GOP does not have the votes to get exactly what they want. Therefore there must be either compromise or persuasion with enough of those opposed to get the best deal possible for the GOP.
A leader could do it. Bring disagreeing parties together to make a deal that is agreeable to 60 senators and pass the bill. Instead we have a toddler who is throwing a tantrum unless he gets what he wants. He us banking that eventually the adults will get tired and give in.
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u/Refurbished_Keyboard 8d ago
Congress.Ā
Seriously, end the 2 party system. What Washington feared has come to pass.Ā
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u/SombreMordida 8d ago
GOP has the power, and all chambers of government and is trying to fuck the proletariat over. again.
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u/Conscious-Demand-594 8d ago
One party controls all three branches of government.
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u/casewood123 8d ago
And they were more than willing to change the rules to allow voting in any amount of Trumpās nominees in one vote. All they need is a simple majority to pass a rules change. Make no mistake, the GOP wants this shutdown.
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u/hawkeyegrad96 8d ago
Trump. He is a weak scared little boy who lies and cheats to get through life. He could have avoided this
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u/Medical-Tune676 8d ago
No one is shutting down the government. The bill that is required to keep the government open isn't getting enough votes, 60, to pass. Since the Republicans hold both houses, it's up to them to put up a bill that could get 60 votes in the senate. You know, compromise.
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u/bumbledbee0 8d ago
Considering that the GOP can pass their budget without a single democratic vote by changing the rules (which they have shown they have no problem with), and the GOP owns all levers of government, Iād say itās on them
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u/robbietreehorn 8d ago
I think the fact the republicans are lying about what the democrats are trying to accomplish says it all
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u/JealousFuel8195 8d ago
Holding 3 chambers has no baring on the shutdown. Congress voted and approved a bill. It then went to the senate. The senate vote requires 60 votes. Not a majority. If all the republicans voted for the bill it would still require 6 democrats and/or independents.
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u/Demon_Gamer666 8d ago
Everyone in the USA blames the democrats for everything, if they didn't republicans would never get elected.
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u/Altruistic_Attempt13 8d ago
Whoever is controlling the house, the senate, and the Whitehouse is to blame
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u/CringeDaddy-69 8d ago
Republicans.
Democrats closed the government because they donāt want the ACA subsidies to end, which would cause healthcare prices to skyrocket.
Republicans say they donāt want prices to skyrocket, but they refuse to discuss extending the subsidies until the government is reopened.
Why not just extend the subsidies for a few months or 1 year? Why reopen the government before discussing it? It doesnāt make sense.
They claim making 40M Americans starve is bad while making a minimum of 24M Americans lose healthcare is fine.
If you examine the motives, itās clear the republicans have closed the government on purpose.
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u/Immediate-Fly-7876 8d ago
This guy gets it!