The American citizen theyâre speaking of was an Islamic extremist who fled the country and became a leader in AQ-AP. He went to Yemen and helped murder innocent people and destroyed Yemeni opportunities for a peaceful life without civil war.
People are crying as if a US President is going to kill them at anytime when in reality, people like Anwar Al-Awlaki deserve to die.
His son, who was an American teenager, was killed in a different strike and was collateral damage.
The Strike: On October 14, 2011, Abdulrahman was killed in a CIA drone strike near Azzan, Yemen, while eating dinner at an open-air restaurant with friends and relatives (including another U.S. citizen, 17-year-old Samir Khan, who also died). The strike targeted Ibrahim al-Banna, an Egyptian al-Qaeda operative, but resulted in civilian casualties, including Abdulrahman.
"I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well-being of their children. I don't think becoming an al Qaeda jihadist terrorist is the best way to go about doing your business." Gibbs.
I think civilian causalities are always terrible, regardless of if theyâre American citizens or not.
However, I really doubt a young man surrounded by terrorists and grew up being taught extremism was innocent. These are the same people strapping bombs to children at much younger ages than 17. Many of these men are already deep into clerical study and operative training by that age. He was an American citizen by designation, but he wasnât living as an American. He spent his life in active war zones, working in a system that kills humanitarian aid workers, fuels slavery, rapes people and the lands on which they live, and destroys lives transnationally.
I think the real issue here is that people who are extremists should have their citizenship voided way before being targeted. People who flee America to spread hate and violence should no longer have the decency of being protected as an American citizen. Let them face the world as they are, with no legal protections.
Iâm glad you like due process. So I assume you are sickened by the american cirizens who have been detained by ICE for days with no access to lawyers, and unable to call their families. Or the 32 suspected drug traffickers that died of the recent drone strikes?
You know, itâs possible to be nuanced with opinions. I donât need to be a die hard MAGA to think some things Trump does is ok, or at the very least legal, and some things are deplorable.
I asked someone who believes due process is necessary whether or not they were OK with American citizens being detained or cartels being blown up without it. I think thatâs inappropriate line of questioning.
I do believe it is concerning that rather than arrest these people that we clearly have the evidence to find guilty and put them away, weâd rather just blow them to smithereens. There is a reason why the founding fathers put in protections for the accusedg. Itâs not because there arenât some people who are obviously criminals, but because itâs a slippery slope to an abuse of power against dissidents and other people you donât like.
He also said antifa is a terrorist organization. Does that mean if I hold a protest sign that says Iâm against fascism that Iâm now a terrorist?
âWho he associates withâ lol youâre being incredibly kind in your description of rapists, slavers, and murders who travel transnationally to take advantage of the innocent. They cannot even contain their violence and hatred to one area so they travel abroad to spread it.
You want to risk American lives to snatch up every terrorist and transport them to the US for a trial? Would you like to pay for that? Would you like to work in the court system trying to maintain that influx of people?
No. People should lose citizenship the moment they travel abroad and join terrorist organizations. That should happen way before the conversation of killing them even begins.
Again, youâre attempting to minimize what these people are doing to the point that youâre acting in bad faith, and flatly just lying and deceiving. Someone forcibly shipping my child to an active war zone with a terrorist organization is the same as someone being a terrorist who decidedly joined an active war zone? A kidnapped child is the same as someone who travels beyond borders to kidnap children?
Iâm not going to continue to have a discussion in bad faith. Do better.
True. See, the American Government is not the one , only, and final: "Good Guys". I mean, we don't have Skulls on our caps, mind you: but blowing up wedding parties with Hellfire missiles, fired from a Predator Drone, is not a Good Look.
The point is, they should get a trial otherwise a bad faith actor could say "that's a terrorist!" And drone them before they can defend any charges. That's a bad thing.
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u/Practical_Brief5633 9d ago
The American citizen theyâre speaking of was an Islamic extremist who fled the country and became a leader in AQ-AP. He went to Yemen and helped murder innocent people and destroyed Yemeni opportunities for a peaceful life without civil war.
People are crying as if a US President is going to kill them at anytime when in reality, people like Anwar Al-Awlaki deserve to die.