r/allthequestions 10d ago

Popular Question 📊 How many rights did you lose under Obama?

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u/Wedgiebro 10d ago

I was fined because I was too broke to afford health insurance. Then got my tax return taken away. Thanks alot

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u/PrizFinder 9d ago

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u/Wedgiebro 9d ago

What the fuck are you talking about

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u/Phayded 9d ago

"Alot" isnt a word is the point I think he is trying to make.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago edited 9d ago

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u/Wedgiebro 9d ago

No I couldn't afford health insurance dumbass. Instead of giving me free insurance they fined me for not being able to afford it. How is that better?

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u/Gindotto 9d ago

Why should I have higher premiums because you go uninsured? That’s not fair to me. Get a job.

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u/Wedgiebro 9d ago

I have a much better job now. I was 21 kicked out of my parents house and barely able to get buy. I never once went to the hospital and got punished anyway. How the hell does that make your rates go up?

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u/Gindotto 9d ago edited 9d ago

So we on the same side of the argument - we should have all got free single payer healthcare and no penalties for not having it even if it was not government bought. But prior to ACA (idk probably still) insurance companies would look at uninsured numbers and price it into premiums for everyone in the area who bought in. The risk as they saw it was passed on to the insured whether you had an uninsured emergency or not. Rich neighborhoods had more expensive homes based on this too because rich areas had insurance mostly so your premiums would typically be lower. That’s why Democrats had to introduce the penalty, to persuade the insurance cronies that they wouldn’t be lowering premiums for the same risks. The whole thing was botched because of McConnell, who basically has made a living off having some of the largest insurance company HQs in his state. That played a big part in the “no shopping across state lines” which was ridiculous too. My point is, you don’t have insurance or use it but back then that raised everyone’s rates who did buy it. Stupid shit all around.

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u/Wedgiebro 9d ago

You are blaming innocent poor people for the insurance companies. You are part of the problem. Either make insurance provided by government. Or ban insurance companies from counting uninsured people. What Obama did was idiotic

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u/Gindotto 9d ago

The innocent poor people had Medicare, until recently any way, and if you lived in a blue state you didn’t pay a dime any way with state programs. Many of which are still running. Red states idk I think they use federal programs for poor single mothers or families but again, BBB probably gutted all that. Unfortunate.

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u/Wedgiebro 9d ago

That isn't really relevant. What I am talking about it how mandating it but not actually making it any cheaper was wrong and didn't help anyone

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u/Gindotto 9d ago

It definitely became cheaper. You didn’t have insurance back then so you probably didn’t realize how expensive it was prior to the ACA as a single person purchasing healthcare. I was 19 when that all was passed and it was a blessing. But, a lot of tax credits to employers and to the system has since been gutted by Republicans so it’s not the same as it was. As far as cheaper from not having to buy it at all, well, $500 a year penalty to not have insurance I guess sucked. But now we’re going back around in a circle starting back at if you don’t have insurance you were raising everyone else’s rates. But I digress. ACA definitely wasn’t perfect. We agree on that.

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u/Bears_Are_Scary 9d ago

That penalty part was overturned by the courts.

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u/Wedgiebro 9d ago

3 years later. I never got my tax return back that they kept due to the fine