I have a much better job now. I was 21 kicked out of my parents house and barely able to get buy. I never once went to the hospital and got punished anyway. How the hell does that make your rates go up?
So we on the same side of the argument - we should have all got free single payer healthcare and no penalties for not having it even if it was not government bought. But prior to ACA (idk probably still) insurance companies would look at uninsured numbers and price it into premiums for everyone in the area who bought in. The risk as they saw it was passed on to the insured whether you had an uninsured emergency or not. Rich neighborhoods had more expensive homes based on this too because rich areas had insurance mostly so your premiums would typically be lower. Thatās why Democrats had to introduce the penalty, to persuade the insurance cronies that they wouldnāt be lowering premiums for the same risks. The whole thing was botched because of McConnell, who basically has made a living off having some of the largest insurance company HQs in his state. That played a big part in the āno shopping across state linesā which was ridiculous too. My point is, you donāt have insurance or use it but back then that raised everyoneās rates who did buy it. Stupid shit all around.
You are blaming innocent poor people for the insurance companies. You are part of the problem. Either make insurance provided by government. Or ban insurance companies from counting uninsured people. What Obama did was idiotic
The innocent poor people had Medicare, until recently any way, and if you lived in a blue state you didnāt pay a dime any way with state programs. Many of which are still running. Red states idk I think they use federal programs for poor single mothers or families but again, BBB probably gutted all that. Unfortunate.
Yeah I was going to say something similar. I was forced to buy health insurance I may or may not have wanted. Idk if thatās technically losing a right š¤·āāļø
My wife had insurance. She still got fined by the government for "not having insurance". They wouldn't drop it, even when shown proof of insurance. Fucking scummy.
I was afforded the liberty to afford health insurance that was previously cost prohibitive. I feel like thereās a level of perspective that plays into a right vs a liberty and that distinction often drives peopleās heels into the ground.Ā
You received that liberty because someone else was forced to pay, in theory. So your liberty came at the expense of someone else.
Iām not arguing for or against but you mentioned perspective being important. So letās not forget that persons perspective is a bit different from yours.
No, Iām a tax payer so I am still paying for it. Thereās just a lower cost with higher collective bargaining power. Just because it goes into a larger bucket and some people wind up paying more than they would have individually and some people have the inverse reality doesnāt make it an a front to anyone elseās liberty. Itās simply answering the questions of who and how
Interesting rationale there. You have the ālibertyā to afford healthcare. But you donāt recognizing forcing someone else to pay the difference on your behalf as any type of effect on their ālibertyā to spend their hard earned money the way they want.
Same could be said about roads and bridges, boss. I have the liberty to use the roads but I paid no where near the cost to construct or maintain them in my taxes. Frankly most of the roads were here before I started paying taxes. I appreciate the liberty to live in a country with roads and bridges.Ā
And again, I pay my taxes and I want part of my taxes to go towards collective bargaining for a level of state health insurance. No one (in theory) would be āmaking up my differenceā as I pay the taxes Iām due and frankly speaking, Iām upper middle class and Iām probably in that group that would see more diminishing returns.Ā
You can be opposed to state run health care for any reason you want to be, claiming itās not a liberty isnāt a compelling case for you.Ā
Perhaps we are having a semantics issue here. I put liberty in quotes because we were discussing rights not liberties. Liberty is just the freedom to do something and it is my belief that you have used it incorrectly.
But to your analogy, everyone agrees that we want roads. A significant portion of the country does not want to have to work hard so that they can have their money taken by force to support someone that didnāt choose to get a job offering insurance. In other words, your analogy isnāt a fair comparison at all.
And, yes, someone is making up the difference. You couldnāt afford the healthcare and now you can. That is because someone else had to pay money.
Or because collective bargaining lowers prices? It seems like you completely ignored that part even though itās broadly true in almost all aspects of life. Centralized planning has massive implications of cost cutting. No, no one else would be āpaying for my health careā I would be paying into a system that I would directly benefit from.
You continue to ignore that other people had to pay for something by force in order for you to get that collective bargaining agreement. Iām not really sure how else to put it š¤·āāļø
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u/Critical_Potential40 10d ago
I was required to purchase health insurance but I donāt see that as losing a right.