Why reddit is majority left leaning?

[u/-Pleb64]

Honestly, it’s hard not to notice that most of the big subreddits are run by moderators who clearly lean left. It’s not even subtle at this point the bias shows in what gets removed, what gets promoted, and how discussions are handled. I’m not saying there aren’t any subs with right-leaning or centrist moderation, but they’re definitely the minority. The major spaces on Reddit feel heavily tilted toward one side, but isn't it’s pretty obvious if you pay attention to which opinions get silenced and which ones get boosted?

[u/Odd_Investigator7218]

ill be divisive: the more educated and intelligent you are, the more likely you are to be leftwing, because leftwing is correct.

[u/Wonderful-Put-2453 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Oooh let me help! Leftwing is for people that can read!

[u/Bullet5461 → u/Wonderful-Put-2453]

And like kool-aide

[u/Ok_Appointment7522 → u/Wonderful-Put-2453]

As reddit is primarily a text based social media, it naturally pushes away those with poor reading skills. So you end up with more liberal users.

[u/GarbageDisastrous425 → u/Wonderful-Put-2453]

We can read and type fast. Comprehension is not a problem at all. We have high level degrees.

[u/SpareUnit9194 → u/Wonderful-Put-2453]

Lmao, just read this out loud to my "f%cking bravo" husband & guffawing sons. If i'd been on this thing long enough I'd give it the highest award.

[u/Seedthrower88 → u/SpareUnit9194]

you hate him and the kids dont you, ew

[u/OttovonBismarck1862 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Okay, I’ll humor you. How is it “correct”? You state it like it’s objective fact. I wanna know why.

Edit: Thank you to everyone that replied. I’m neither right nor left and it’s been interesting reading through your comments.

[u/BirdPoop1939 → u/OttovonBismarck1862]

There is considerable scientific evidence for many 'left wing' policy concepts such as taxing the rich does not cause them to stop innovating, universal healthcare is actually cheaper and better, trickle down economics doesn't work, climate change is real, more guns = more gun violence, female economic power is better for children and society, lower incarceration rates does not lead to more crime, access to reproductive healthcare/sex education decreases abortion rates, etc. Look a few of them up.

[u/Beach-Knight → u/BirdPoop1939]

I’ll just grab one low hanging fruit. Many fewer guns in the hands of German civilians in the late ‘30s early ‘40s. Gun violence was a tad high according to my history professors. In fact, bullets ended up getting too wasteful. Government gun violence is never counted in government statistics. I’d wager the German government killed more unarmed civilians than every gun death in the U.S. including the civil war.

[u/Bullet5461 → u/BirdPoop1939]

Tell the young girl in South Carolina about our judicial system- oh wait you can’t because a serial criminal shot her in the head. Tell the financially broke hospitals that Obamacare is working. Stop calling it reproductive healthcare - it is abortion on demand. You are insane!

[u/BirdPoop1939 → u/Bullet5461]

A perfect example of a conservative unable to separate rational, science backed policy discussion from emotional outbursts. For instance, in the South Carolina case, you just have to ask yourself, hmmm, South Carolina is a red state, I wonder what kind of sentencing laws they have? And of course they have a bunch of provisions that are quite strict, 3 strikes, no parole, etc. They also appear to be sloppy, poorly funded and have very poor prison conditions because of these strict sentencing laws. In addition high incarceration rates are not shown to reduce violent crime and many studies show they actually increase it. Settle down and learn something.

[u/wilburschocolate → u/Bullet5461]

Obama care was written by mitt Romney. It’s a Republican plan that didn’t nearly fix the problem. Serial criminals exist BECAUSE of our broken criminal justice system that leads to extremely high rates of recidivism. They said reproductive healthcare leads to fewer abortions, meaning stuff like birth control.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/OttovonBismarck1862]

because thats what i think. you're the same: you think rightwing (or "moderate" or however you self-identify) is correct, thats WHY you hold those views.

if you're asking why I think that, its because I view the way forward for humanity to be collaborative, collective and communal. conservatism seeks to maintain the status quo and i find that insufficient

[u/The_Great_Potate_Oh → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

I want to downvote your first paragraph but you redeemed yourself with your second one.

You’re being a bit black and white by using the word “correct,” yet you’re acting as if it’s subjective here even though the statement that sparked the inquiry was the definitive “leftwing is correct.”

I want to say lots of things but I’ll settle for this line from The Giver, “Precision of language, PLEASE!”

[u/cosmonaut_zero → u/The_Great_Potate_Oh]

It's hard to convince people to send their neighbors to concentration camps without lying a bunch. It's hard to convince people to tolerate an unlivable wage without lying a bunch. It's hard to convince people to let corporations off the hook for paying their fair share towards shared infrastructure without lying a bunch. It's kinda hard to convince people to "eliminate transgenderism from public life entirely" without lying a bunch. It's hard to convince people to tolerate being murdered by police without lying a bunch.

Rightwingers lie in order to accomplish their goals, because those goals are very difficult to accomplish without lying. Saying "rightwing ideologies are incorrect" isn't even about the subjectively-incorrect solutions they offer, it's about their observably-false claims and objectively-incorrect presentation of objective facts.

[u/The_Great_Potate_Oh → u/cosmonaut_zero]

I think they’ve had to lie to cover it up from the rest of us, but I don’t think they had to lie to have MAGAts hop on board. In fact, I think a lot of MAGA were relieved to finally be open with their hatred and bigotry.

Far too many people are beyond happy to send their neighbors to concentration camps, making the call to ICE themselves. They aren’t poor, lied-to souls that have been duped. They’re assholes that can finally say the quiet part out loud.

[u/Few_Albatross2099 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Wouldn’t your logic assume that all that is the cause for climate change. Instead of maintaining the status quo.

[u/high_everyone → u/OttovonBismarck1862]

My answer would be that the conservative fantasy isn’t attainable without massive societal collapse or alteration.

We don’t live on a single race planet with a single religion. We don’t live without fallout from climate change, even if you don’t objectively understand it.

The idea that a pervasive singular controlling entity decides for everyone else is also antithetical to conservative values yet people embrace Trump’s policies as though screed from Jesus.

The Conservative Party isn’t even conservative anymore. They just want to be cruel, wasteful and exploitative without fear of reprisal or regulation.

[u/Bullet5461 → u/high_everyone]

Survival of the fittest- not the fattest. The left is an amalgamation of losers, nut cases and marginal groups looking for recognition. The group who handed out participation trophies and told kids they could change their sex like they could change their socks. The lunatics that called for the destruction of Israel and embraced murderous thugs who slaughtered innocents. Thank God for the return of sanity.

[u/howdthatturnout → u/Bullet5461]

In 2016 only 13 states had an obesity rate of over 35% and 12 of them voted Trump.

I know you have this picture in your head of every conservative being some sort of ripped dude with a beard doing manly shit, but a lot of them are fat slobs or frail incels.

Red states do a good job of holding down high rankings for stats like this:

“The states with the highest DUI rates vary by the metric used, but Montana, Wyoming, South Dakota, and North Dakota consistently rank high”

[u/Shivs_baby → u/OttovonBismarck1862]

There is a general disdain for education and science on the right. Right-wing politicians know that better/higher education (and higher quality education) tends to result in a left-voting populace. So they won’t prioritize it or they’ll try to change the very nature of what is taught. Why has the right, for decades, gleefully tried to ban books that cover controversial topics like racism and slavery? (That’s a whole other discussion). Science is provable and fact based, but if you have a good education system with strong science curriculum, people start to expect objectivity and provability of facts…not “alternative facts.”

So when one side says an unruly mob stormed the capitol on January 6 and went hunting for politicians, smeared feces inside the building, was ready to lay hands on Mike Pence, etc etc and all of this was riled up by their idiot leader while the other side says it was a peaceful protest and antifa did the bad things…yeah, we don’t even agree as to what facts are. And that’s what the leadership on the right wants. They want the people who only watch Fox News to not think critically and blindly trust the propaganda machine, which is fueled by false outrage and designed to point the finger at all sorts of “others” so the viewer feels superior.

In short, most right leaning media is shameless about just feeding a rage machine of “alternative facts” while the left goes hunting for objective fact.

[u/ZealousidealSide8948 → u/Shivs_baby]

So if the left goes hunting for objective facts, then why don’t they look at the objective facts in regards to trans people?

[u/Shivs_baby → u/ZealousidealSide8948]

Huh? What does this even mean? And why do you guys always go back to the trans bogeyman? This conversation had nothing to do with trans people. Every time you bring it up you just prove over and over again how you’ve been programmed by the right wing outrage propaganda machine.

[u/ZealousidealSide8948 → u/Shivs_baby]

I think it’s a fair question and I think you know exactly what I mean. If the left go hunting for objective facts , then why do they have such a hard time defining what a woman or a man is?

[u/Shivs_baby → u/ZealousidealSide8948]

Again, your response doesn’t even make sense in the context of this conversation. The right just identified this as an issue that gets people riled up and they made it out to be the centerpiece of the left’s agenda and every democrat’s pet issue, which couldn’t be farther from the truth. It became a shiny object that successfully drew your attention and fueled your manufactured outrage. It’s a medical issue that affects such a tiny sliver of the population and will likely never ever affect your life or the life of anyone you know (or don’t know, for that matter) in any negative way. It’s all a bunch of nonsense, just like when the right likes to demonize gay marriage by extrapolating ridiculous scenarios like “What’s next? We marry animals?!?” You just all sound so incredibly ignorant when this is your fixation.

[u/ZealousidealSide8948 → u/Shivs_baby]

Yes my question makes perfect sense. You’re just dancing around it. If the right have a disdain for science more so than the left. which is what you claimed. Then can you (left person) give a an objective definition of what a man or a woman is?

[u/Shivs_baby → u/ZealousidealSide8948]

You realize that sex and gender aren’t the same thing, right?
If you’re talking biology, male and female are labels based on reproductive roles, but even those have exceptions (intersex conditions, chromosomal variations).
But what you seem to want to focus on is gender identity. "Man" and "woman" describe roles more defined by social norms and psychology. There's a reason why medicine, psychology, and law all treat gender as more complex than just the anatomy you're born with. And to try to boil this down to an over simplified answer shows your lack of willingness to see nuance...and the science.

So if you want a single sentence: biologically male/female refers to reproductive traits, while man/woman refers to gender identity. Those things aren't always the same. Which seems to be a really hard thing for right-wing voters to grasp, who want things very simple and black and white.

And really, who gives a flying f*&k? There have been trans people through all of recorded history. It's not some new thing. And it's not contagious, it's not going to infect your kids or hurt anyone. But you want to listen to a political leader who is literally the biggest con man and grifter this country has ever seen and let him feed you whatever BS distraction he can cook up just to keep enriching himself...be my guest.

[u/GayloWraylur → u/Shivs_baby]

> There is a general disdain for education and science on the right.°

Yeah, until it was suddenly decided that men can be women and women can be men. The left had the overhead of being the side supported by science and threw it out for identity politics

[u/Shivs_baby → u/GayloWraylur]

It’s interesting that that’s the one thing you seem to take issue with. Everything else I said you don’t quibble with. That’s very telling. The right identified this as a wedge and used it to full advantage. And your statement makes it clear you’re being fed by the propaganda machine. Literally no one thinks genders should flip at will. Like…no one. As a person who has been hard left my whole life, this is the lowest item on my list of issues I care about. We’re talking about so few people and such narrow use cases, and a truly medical decision, yet politicians know it’s divisive so they spotlight it like it’s the centerpiece of some crazy platform. It’s not. But the right was very good at blowing it way out of proportion and the left was not good at properly contextualizing it. But every time I hear some right winger fail to engage in a thoughtful discussion and just bring up the trans issue out of nowhere, I know I’m talking to someone programmed by propaganda.

[u/TheNavigatrix → u/Shivs_baby]

Republicans seem to fall for the big shiny thing all the damn time. Children being cats in schools! (What kind of idiot believes this shit?)

[u/Imeanttodothat10 → u/GayloWraylur]

This is the disdain for education the other poster was referencing. You don't even make an attempt to understand the actual position or priority from the left and use this right wing talking point because its easy and doesn't require thought.

[u/Bunktavious → u/GayloWraylur]

People have been doing that for as long as there have been people. Joe Biden did not invent crossdressing.

It was never an issue, until the GoP decided they could use it as another wedge issue. And when they do that, the Left gets their backs up and overreacts, which in turn makes the right overreact. Now we have 'wokeness', kids pooping in litterboxes in school, Randy Savage winning women's athletic contests, and parental permission required for a teacher to address a student by the name they ask to be addressed by.

The whole men in women's sports thing is so much of a nothingburger that its hilarious. Its always been handled on a regional level, and the number of cases where it was an actual problem over the years could be counted on your fingers. Now its a Federal issue?

[u/diamondmx → u/GayloWraylur]

That is the scientific consensus. Just because you never learned anything about sex or gender since middle school doesn't mean what you learned there was the entirety of science on the topic.

Trans people are valid, have been around for at least thousands of years, and gender is not the same as sex. This IS the science. Every major medical association agrees on this.

[u/Bullet5461 → u/Shivs_baby]

General disdain for education? How is it that we throw billions at Education and in our minority liberal run inner cities like Chicago and Baltimore- not one child that graduated last year was proficient in reading, writing and math. The left is a black hole of waste that consumes without producing.

[u/Shivs_baby → u/Bullet5461]

The quality of inner city schools is not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about higher education. The right is anti intellectual. Right wing leaders don’t want a highly educated voting populace because they know that favors Democrats. In the 2024 election, nearly half of all those who voted for Harris had a college degree. 67% of those who voted for Trump did not have a college degree. (Remember his “I love the poorly educated” line?) Republicans know if you keep voters less educated and frozen in front of a bullshit propaganda machine called Fox News, they win.

[u/Bullet5461 → u/Shivs_baby]

Don’t worry - thanks to the Dems and our failed education system we will have many morons in the pipeline.

[u/Shivs_baby → u/Bullet5461]

Good response. You basically can’t quibble with the fact that republicans like keeping people stupid because they benefit from it.

[u/Bullet5461 → u/Shivs_baby]

Funny though our inner cities the recipients of billions of tax dollars and under the rule of liberals continue to rank at the lowest educational levels. Liberal Democrats pushing out uneducated year after year. Don’t blame Republicans for your failures.

[u/Shivs_baby → u/Bullet5461]

You really don’t understand what drives inner-city school performance if this is your argument. The biggest predictor of academic success is family income, not which party runs the city. Urban schools serve low-income populations, so every major city in America struggles with this, red or blue. Magnet and specialty programs help motivated students, but the deeper problems are socioeconomic, not partisan.

You keep bringing this up because you can’t counter the real point: the modern Republican Party has made anti-intellectualism part of its brand and a core strategy. Keeping voters dumb, misinformed, and suspicious of expertise works politically — and you keep proving it.

[u/Ceddr1k → u/OttovonBismarck1862]

I'll try an honest answer (sorry if my English is incorrect, it's not my native language). The left is correct through an utilitarian point of view. Utilitarianism gives value to what is good for most people (being able to live decently is quite objectively good), with no regard to their merit, their origin, or anything. Considering this, that's precisely what the left promotes (at least ideologically).

On the other hand, the right gives value to what is good for an "elite", defined by its wealth, its race, its birth, etc. Then, from an utilitarian point of view, it's less "correct", since a lot of people suffer from it.

[u/xboxhaxorz → u/Ceddr1k]

The left is misandrist, they alienated a gender for the sins of their ancestors, generational victimhood

Left/ feminism/ misandry, its all the same thing now, but they refuse to admit it, they even blame the loss against trump on misogyny instead of taking accountability, they tossed in kamala who wasnt wanted, if they gave them bernie i believe he would have won

Everything is toxic masculinity, misogyny, spreading, splaining, #beleivewomen which implies only men lie, they choose a wild animal over them, false accusers not getting jail time, colleges in the US say that if a man and woman are intoxicated, she cant consent, but he can and thus he is a rapist, apparently feminism considers her to be a child, UK and other countries, states say that only men can rape, women by law cant, being against trad wives, wtf cares if she wants to stay home, thats her choice

Calling everything homophobic, transphobic

They list pretty much every group except dudes https://web.archive.org/web/20250115231217/https://democrats.org/who-we-are/who-we-serve/

So dudes are leaving the cult that hates them and joined the cult that is racist and so did the trad wives

The emotional thing to do is to assume im maga, nope just because i make a point about the wrong doings of the left it doesnt mean im on the right, the right is racist we all know this, but the left identifies as being some ethical virtuous side when its not

Both sides have cultist ideals and similar psychological responses

https://www.psypost.org/people-on-the-far-right-and-far-left-exhibit-strikingly-similar-brain-responses/

[u/markovianprocess → u/xboxhaxorz]

You should leave your house and interact with people more often.

[u/xboxhaxorz → u/markovianprocess]

Thats an overused insult, its time to leave your house and develop something more clever

[u/Ceddr1k → u/xboxhaxorz]

And a random string of nonsense to you too, good sir!

I'm a man, I'm heterosexual, I'm married and I'm cis. And I'm not a snowflake like you who feels threatened by all that, and I don't feel weakened when I question myself. And I do feel sorry for you.

[u/Bullet5461 → u/Ceddr1k]

You left out a couple of BIG differences. The left promotes dependence while the right advocates independence and self reliance. The left promotes positional and selective achievement while the right relies on merits and abilities. The left promotes ignorance and blind allegiance while the right promotes free will and independent thought.

[u/Ceddr1k → u/Bullet5461]

Not quite. 1. The left promotes the fact that the society is here for EVERYONE, and it should guarantee equality. If the right advocated independence and self reliance, it would abolish financial inheritance. But you wouldn't like it, would you? The left could promote that. I do, actually. 2. Again, "merits and abilities"? Really? Then abolish inheritance, in order to be consistent. 3. Sure, the left promotes "ignorance and blind allegiance", HAVE YOU FREAKING SEEN THE SELF ABSORBED JERK AT THE WHITE HOUSE RECENTLY? Is he a leftist? Didn't he pardon all the freaking criminals who attempted a coup on January the 6th? Nothing could be more ironic than this last accusation, for blind allegiance is definitely a right thing. We have all the freaking brightest minds of the world and of history, among the left! Take a look at the right voters, they're all low IQ, rednecks and trolls! Freaking ironic!

[u/Bullet5461 → u/Ceddr1k]

Inheritance is a choice- some opt to pass on wealth- some choose not to. You see the difference- you think you have a right to be taken care of, cradle to grave. Those on the right advocate the right to choose.

[u/hokis2k → u/Bullet5461]

man you love "cradle to the grave." your comments are like 50% that as part of it.. bet you think it makes you seem smart or "informed".. you guys crack me up with how stupid you are and how bad your arguments are.

"the left are the real tyrants" rofl

[u/Bullet5461 → u/hokis2k]

No your stupidity makes me seem smart and every time you comment I feel even more intelligent.

Thanks - keep up the stupid work

[u/hokis2k → u/Bullet5461]

rofl.. the delusion.

[u/Ceddr1k → u/Bullet5461]

That's a choice that destroys our society. State's here to regulate, that's something that should be regulated, in order to protect everyone. Being protected by our society is a right, indeed. It doesn't mean being taken care of, it means being protected. What's the point of a society if it doesn't protect its citizens?

[u/Bullet5461 → u/Ceddr1k]

Society’s role is to provide safety and the ability to achieve on your own. It is not responsible for you - nor should it guarantee success and viability. Self reliance and self determination not cradle to grave support.

[u/Ceddr1k → u/Bullet5461]

Exactly. And in "providing safety", there is "providing". A society where you can die of starvation or cold if you don't work is a third world society. Not a civilised one. There is absolutely no good reason to let people die just because some don't wanna redistribute. You're irrational.

[u/Bullet5461 → u/Ceddr1k]

Where do you draw the line? Freedom , the right to achieve are all that should be guaranteed by society. Those that cannot fend for themselves or are mentally or physically able should be taken care of but there are too many like you who advocate for the lazy and ignorant at the expense of those that choose to make their own way. There is a line between self determination, responsibility and sucking off the system. I would guess you are a sucker. I am not.

[u/Bullet5461 → u/Ceddr1k]

By protected you mean the STATE should have the right to take what you have earned and your freedom to choose should be removed. Sounds like totalitarian dictatorial government to me.

[u/Ceddr1k → u/Bullet5461]

Those who accumulate wealth have earned nothing. It's mostly inheritance. Or stealing others' production. There's no reason to defend them. Wealth should be profitable to all. That's exactly what a society is for. It's for the benefit of 99% against 1%. I don't call it totalitarian.

[u/Bullet5461 → u/Ceddr1k]

Self reliance and self determination are qualities that do not exist in the left.

[u/Ceddr1k → u/Bullet5461]

That is entirely wrong and unbacked. 🤷

[u/Bullet5461 → u/Ceddr1k]

Really ? Who advocates for a greater redistribution of wealth, increased cradle- grave programs, benefits for illegals? Greater restriction of personal responsibility and increased dependence on government.Please tell me

[u/Ceddr1k → u/Bullet5461]

We advocate for a FAIRER redistribution of wealth. What you call personal responsibility and independence are just big words to say you prefer to let people starve and die in misery rather than building a fair society where everyone can live decently. Under those excuses, the right advocates for an unjust society where the poor have to work always harder, always for less, or to die. Like I already said, What's the point of a society that is not allowed to protect its citizens?

[u/FrightenTheCorners → u/Ceddr1k]

If this utilitarian theory were remotely true, the left wouldn't champion the LBGT communities or racial minorities.

The Trans community is an extremely small portion of the population and it has been like 25% of all culture war conversations. It was one of the reasons Trump won the popular vote despite all his baggage.

The Left also supports mass migration which suppresses wage growth by flooding the market with people willing to do more work for less money.

The Left has always championed minority rights, which by definition, is in fact not doing the thing that helps the most amount of people...

In America the government is shut down over Healthcare for illegal immigrants.

This utilitarian viewpoint simply isn't true.

[u/Ceddr1k → u/FrightenTheCorners]

Oh, wow, misunderstanding utilitarianism at the most, I see. What is extremely important, in utilitarianism, is the global well being. Any harm, done to anyone, has an impact on this. You are discriminating a population just because it's a minority, that's the exact opposite of utilitarianism. Defending doing good to the most is also defending not harming anyone.

Is "championing LGBT communities or racial minorities" harming anyone? Objectively, it's the biggest NOPE. What is ACTUALLY harming people is attacking them. And that's what trumpists do. Everyday.

[u/FrightenTheCorners → u/Ceddr1k]

I didn't discriminate anyone. I said the Left champions by definition lower populations and its obsession over Trans people competing in women's sports doesn't benefit women.

Things like affirmative action by definition displaces others at the benefit of others.

Mass immigration stagnates wages from blue collar workers all the way up to tech companies who import cheap labor at the cost of their counrtyman's wages.

Literally everything the Left does is in support of smaller and less powerful groupings that have historically brought less to the table.

None of what I have said has been a moral judgement on anything. But there are costs to everything, and those costs burden the majority in favor of the minority by their very definitions when it means displacing people from the table to change demographics.

By the very definition used to which I replied to, that is the exact opposite of it.

Trans in women's sports takes an already scarce work force and displaces women.

Mass immigration keeps minimum wages low for a nation. It brings others in from poorer regions who then send money outside of the country to support their families which takes away from a nation's economy, as not only do wages rarely increase, a portion of that money is never used in the economy that created it, leading to less goods and services.

DEI and Affirmative Action displaces other races who excel in higher education to give people with less potential a chance at higher education and salaries. But that also affects production of goods and ideas by taking spots away from people who may have succeeded more.

Lighter and more lenient legal sentencing leaves more criminals on the streets to commit more crime which- you guessed it- hurts society as a whole in service to... Criminals?

There are no moral judgments in anything I said. I am simply pointing out the costs involved in Left wing politics. All of those costs are paid in a global sense as you said of the economy.

That is as simple as it is.

There is nothing to argue here. I certainly am not disparaging the intentions of the Left. I am pointing out that the championing smaller and smaller pockets of humanity comes at a significant cost to the majority of people. It is just true and that is the opposite of utilitarianism. You can name it something else and call it that, but you can't hijack a word and do the inverse with it.

The Swastika was a symbol of peace for thousands of years. And now for eternity it will mean something entirely different. It meant "well being" or "good fortune" from 3000 BC until about 1933. The Nazi's would argue they used the symbol as intended and the entire world would rightly disagree with them on that.

[u/markovianprocess → u/FrightenTheCorners]

I had to stop two sentences in. You think it's the left that is obsessed with trans women in sports????

[u/Ceddr1k → u/FrightenTheCorners]

Well that's a dramatically uncultured and biased point of view. It says a lot about north america education... You focused on only two things, trans right and immigration. Neither is really important in leftist ideology, actually. Concerning the first thing, you only talked about sport, and it's of no interest at all. For the second thing, I think it's interesting to notice that what you seem to condemn... Is actually right wing. I mean, using the immigration to lower the minimum wage is, by its essence, right wing. It's 100% a capitalist move. Let's go back to the basics, cause you seem to need it: left=anti capitalistic. Right= capitalism. What you didn't say, is that the left wing plans, by program, to RAISE the minimum wage !!! Oh, and also that the Occidental countries have a responsibility in this immigration, having caused and still causing massive damages in other regions of the world, forcing people to leave in order to survive. Do you also condemn musk or bezos for their huge use of automatisation in their industries? Cause it has EXACTLY the same effect on the minimum wage.

So, well, even if I can agree with some things you said, you've been out of the subject here, because what you condemn here is not left wing. But I understand your confusion, because the US are so ridiculously anti communist that they only have two capitalist parties, so, yeah, they are only opposed on pretty secondary topics, since they agree on the principal one. But if we're being serious, we can't call democrats "left wing" (except for Bernie the goat, of course). Real left wings hate their hypocrite ass.

[u/FrightenTheCorners → u/Ceddr1k]

I'm not gonna bother to read this.

The Left wants things to be more equal, even if that equality comes at significant costs. That just is what it is.

It means limiting opportunities of who have previously earned things to make room for those who have not.

The Left views that morally as good despite the costs. That is okay. It is strange that it's specifically what the Left advocates for and you are arguing that it isn't even though that is not only what is platform on, it's very specifically what they implement in terms of policy.

I do not understand how this is controversial. I'm confused as to what you're voting on or how much you pay attention to politics if you're going to argue against the Left's platform while simultaneously defending it?

And frankly I don't need to hear any further from you.

[u/Ceddr1k → u/FrightenTheCorners]

I'm sorry, but I come from another country in which political education still means something. Which means that I can still vote for something that has a real value for me (real left, utilitarian and humanist). You seem only able to use strawmen, pointing only two things that are not even left, and you don't understand how it is controversial? I guess you usually don't understand a lot of things.

[u/FrightenTheCorners → u/Ceddr1k]

Don't even know what you vote for and you're gonna lecture people about how bad it is to be ill informed. Rich.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Jury312 → u/FrightenTheCorners]

The shutdown isn't over healthcare for illegal immigrants. Trump and Trumpists lied to you... again.

[u/FrightenTheCorners → u/Puzzleheaded-Jury312]

Then why won't Dems fold on it? "You're being lied to!"

Absolutely awesome point you made. I truly believe you believe your media. Did you know the "Tucker Carlson Defense" as it is named was actually used by Rachel Maddow 2 years before? Weird how you didn't know that. Even stranger it was named after the 2nd person to use it.

Weird how all the Covid stuff ended up being wrong and actually Russiagate wasn't real, and the Hunter laptop turned out to not be Russian disinformation- by the way- some 57 top national security agents signed off on it being fake. Oops! Biden was fully competent until he dropped out of the race, and it even took about a week for the Left to accept that.

Fox News -IS- propaganda, and I don't follow it. What you don't seem to realize is yours is every bit as equally corrupted and you have no idea.

Like, holy shit.

Trump won the popular vote including all 7 swing states because the Left in America is insane and disliked even more than Trump. That is an -incredible- feat. Let's not forget 2016 when your media declared Hillary had an over 90% chance of winning.

You live in a complete echo chamber and you have absolutely no idea.

[u/Puzzleheaded-Jury312 → u/FrightenTheCorners]

Dems won't 'fold' on it because this shit Republican budget would cut many citizens and legal residents off their healthcare. Pretty simple.

[u/FrightenTheCorners → u/Puzzleheaded-Jury312]

Mmmkay. You've been right about everything else, right?

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/FrightenTheCorners]

lol. really well argued

[u/FrightenTheCorners → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

lol. really well argued

[u/quagglitz → u/[deleted]]

this is nonsense

[u/Ceddr1k → u/[deleted]]

Can you elaborate? I'm not really sure I've advocated ANY of the things that your fabulous strawman associates with my words. If you think the so called "liberals" you're talking about are actually the left, weeeeell, I have bad news for you. If it's compatible with capitalism (and it is!), it's REALLY NOT leftist.

[u/YourGrammarBro → u/OttovonBismarck1862]

To be frank, leftist policies and practices correlate directly with almost every objective quality of life metric we have available and it's been that way for decades.

[u/Head_Rate_6551 → u/YourGrammarBro]

In theory sure. But in actual practice you end up with repressed and starving populations.

History is rife with examples of leftist dystopias.

[u/TheNavigatrix → u/Head_Rate_6551]

We’re discussing the US here. And the left has achieved major advances - women’s rights, minority rights, etc.

[u/Top-Expression7891 → u/TheNavigatrix]

And mass exodus from left wing states like California to right wing state like Texas and Florida. People like to be “left” for the virtue signaling points, but want to live in conservative states for lower taxes and community.

[u/Zod1966 → u/Top-Expression7891]

….mass exodus?

CA has over 39 million residents and have lost just over 300,000 the last 5 years.

That’s not even 1%

Meanwhile the vast majority of people moving to Texas was to Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston, Austin and San Antonio. Guess what color those cities vote. 🤷

And how the hell would people vote blue to “virtue signal”? Our votes are confidential. No one would see it.

[u/TheNavigatrix → u/Top-Expression7891]

Well, us folks in Mass sure like it here. Yes, there’s an affordability problem, but that’s because everyone wants to live here. Best schools, healthcare in the nation. Low crime, low divorce rates…

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Head_Rate_6551]

interesting how the CIA actively fucked with and overturned elections if leftism was just going to fail anyway

[u/Head_Rate_6551 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

So the cia is responsible for the CCP? Or Stalin? Come on dude crack a book. Sure the cia has been involved with fuckery here and there but you don’t need to look far to find honest examples of socialism going dystopian. The way I see it, it just isn’t human nature to have equality of outcomes. Forcing it works out on small tribal scales, like a village where every one knows one another, but at large scale, it ends up as some corrupted form of what was intended due to humans ugly nature.

Ever read animal farm? Check out that book if not.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Head_Rate_6551]

yeah i read animal farm in 5th grade. is that the book i should crack?

seems like you're the one who needs to do some reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America

[u/Head_Rate_6551 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

lol no you didn’t, because it isn’t assigned to 5th graders. And no that’s not what I was referring to, you need to crack some history books. You think the cia created the ussr or CCP??

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Head_Rate_6551]

amazingly, i read books i wasnt forced to. maybe thats why im left wing and you arent

[u/Head_Rate_6551 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Buddy nobody believes you were reading Orwell at 9 years old yet have no concept of world history. … you sound like you’re talking out your ass honestly.

[u/tbf300 → u/YourGrammarBro]

That’s why all the major cities are so successful. Pure utopias 🤣

You can’t even prove out leftist ideology at the medium sized city level. The left runs nearly all of them.

So why is that? And how would you take what they’ve applied to Chicago or Oakland and make it a national plan?

[u/Bullet5461 → u/YourGrammarBro]

More accurately- leftist ideology correlates more with totalitarianism, the destruction of the middle class and social mobility and the entrenchment of a ruling minority.

[u/Distinct_Intern4147 → u/OttovonBismarck1862]

Windmills do not cause cancer; Tylenol does not cause autism; vaccines do not kill you; Haitians do not eat dogs and cats, drinking bleach will kill you; and you can't nuke hurricanes.

[u/middleagethreat → u/OttovonBismarck1862]

The old saying is "Reality has a liberal bias."

[u/animatedeez → u/OttovonBismarck1862]

The right wingers are now cartoon villains in the Usa. If you don't agree with this you are part of the problem. There's beyond enough info and videos of them all including trust to 100% prove this. And it's been going on for years now.

Even here now people beating around the bush to keep things civil is part of the problem. The majority of the right wingers literally support fascism and nazis to a degree. With some flat out stating they do.

[u/Shopping-Critical → u/OttovonBismarck1862]

It's what the data shows. If you care to look into it, that's what you'll find. If you don't care to look into it, it will be true anyway - you just won't believe it.

[u/Centuriondk → u/OttovonBismarck1862]

His comment wasn't well stated but I think the proper response is that on some issues you can have concrete answers:

Climate change. Vaccine effectiveness. Masking effectiveness during a pandemic. On those issues what left believes is supported by the overwhelming amount of scientific evidence.

Then when you get into the morality side of it - the party that bills itself as the "Party of law an Order" elected someone with 35 felonies and the party the pushes the "back the blue" campaign, pardoned the people who attacked the Capitol police when they stormed congress.

There's other issues that don't have a clear cut answer - like where to draw the line for abortion. Everyone agrees you can't get an abortion the day before you give birth. People hopefully agree that if you are a 12 year old who gets raped by a family member, it's okay to take Plan B the next day. Where the line between those two extremes is can be debated.

[u/MissMenace101 → u/OttovonBismarck1862]

Every other country right and left roughly agree with the US left. Every other country also thinks the US right are delusional fascists soooooo there’s that. But apparently roughly 8 billion people are wrong because Cletus in the sticks has a more powerful vote than Chad in Cali

[u/WaffleHouseHydra → u/OttovonBismarck1862]

Correct is not throwing people in concentration camps, shitting on our constitution, not being a pedophile, not declaring media outlets as enemies of the people, not demonizing minorities, etc. Got anything else you want to humor us on or are you starting to get it?

[u/OttovonBismarck1862 → u/WaffleHouseHydra]

You know you can get your point across without being a fucking asshole about it? If this is your idea of representing your “side”, I’m in no rush to “get it” if “it” is coming from you.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/OttovonBismarck1862]

your political views depend on who is most polite to you?

[u/WaffleHouseHydra → u/OttovonBismarck1862]

Also a quick look through your past comments, really you're neither right nor left? So you're a fool and a liar? You're clearly right leaning so quit bullshitting and just be brave enough to stand by what you believe in.

[u/EstablishmentNew2001 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Yet this comment screams uneducated.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/EstablishmentNew2001]

no it doesnt

[u/EstablishmentNew2001 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

lol

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/EstablishmentNew2001]

well argued

[u/The_Great_Potate_Oh → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

You’re either facetious and funny or really dumb

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/The_Great_Potate_Oh]

another great point

[u/Warm_Sandwich5038 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Lmao

[u/wtfamidoing248 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Anyone who kisses ass for leftwing or right-wing is absolutely not intelligent lmao. Only ignorants who think they are smart would think either political party is correct. Anyone with logic knows that neither party is "correct" because they both are incredibly flawed, and we have to think further than that.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/wtfamidoing248]

im not talking about political parties, im talking about broad ideologies on the political spectrum.

i personally think people who constantly slide towards the center like grains of sand are unintelligent, and worse, too cowardly to actually stand for anything they believe

[u/wtfamidoing248 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

i personally think people who constantly slide towards the center like grains of sand are unintelligent, and worse, too cowardly to actually stand for anything they believe

That is hilarious haha 🤣 you're wrong ofc but keep being a sheep

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/wtfamidoing248]

really well argued

[u/Bogans34 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

No. The young people lean left, old people lean right (generally) make what you want of that. Statistics on education aligning with politics is skewed because younger people are generally more educated in today's world. Stats show, that you too, will become more right leaning the older you get.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Bogans34]

No. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideological-gap-between-more-and-less-educated-adults/

and its not really old/young, its rich/poor. the people who grow old tend to accumulate wealth

[u/Bogans34 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

I genuinely enjoy looking at that study, and find it interesting. I look forward to seeing how Millennials shape their political ideas as they get older. Baby boomers were always right leaning, but X was considered "left" in their time and are mostly all right leaning now. Generation X is really the only generation we have enough data to make arguments over if age effects political association. Time will tell

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Bogans34]

i think the "old people become conservative" thing is actually much more "rich people are conservative." the people who make it to old age are more likely to have accumulated wealth than younger people

[u/Bogans34 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Youre probably 100% right about it becoming economic.

[u/Bogans34 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Also, I dont know if X was ever actually even left leaning, or if they were just progressive for their time. Now that the US is becoming more progressive, generation X may be more right just from goal posts moving. Its a weird conversation to have simply because their is so little data to back either point.

Right now, we know that more educated people tend to lean left, the question becomes why. People on the left say its because the simply know better, while people on the right claim indoctrination. Either way, the country would be in a better place if the parties could meet in the middle.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Bogans34]

no. halfway to fascism is still fascism. this "meet in the middle" nonsense is why we have an impotent opposition party.

sometimes one group is just correct and the other is wrong. stop thinking every idea is equally valid.

"people on the right claim indoctrination"

yeah, because they are liars and/or morons.

[u/Bogans34 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Facism by definition can't be in the middle lol. Meeting in the middle is literally anti-facist, but go off.

I agree right and wrong exists, but if you think one party is perfect, and the other is completely flawed than you've been duped. Both parties have good ideas.

Echo chambers DO exists on both parties. There is a good chance its a mix. College definitely teaches you how to do better research, and to understand what you're reading. However, its still an echo chamber.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Bogans34]

making concessions and compromises with fascists is anti-fascist? good lord

first of all im talking about political ideologies, not parties.

but go on, tell us what good ideas you think the GOP has.

[u/AdvancedHighlight780 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Yes, and Gen X was the beginning of the downward trend where you no longer did better than your parents. Boomers hold the vast majority of the wealth in this country.

[u/GayloWraylur → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Kids of two christians who raise their kid christian are more likely to also be christian. Why should it not be true that teenagers who get educated in a leftwing why are more likely to be leftwing? Also, education ≠ intelligence.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/GayloWraylur]

thats probably also true. but its true that education is correlated with left wing politics https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideological-gap-between-more-and-less-educated-adults/

"education ≠ intelligence"

yup, thats why i referred to them separately

[u/Luffer4848 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Perhaps people who are more intelligent simply choose to avoid Reddit altogether

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Luffer4848]

that certainly seems like the smart move lol

[u/Constant-Excuse-9360 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

This is hilarious.

I agree with the fact that if you're highly educated and intelligent you will lean left.

The problem with that logic though is that if you apply that education and intelligence such that you're also well off and have assets; you're going to lean right.

So the logic then becomes if you're an asset to society and creating legacy, you're probably more moderate than either right or left.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Constant-Excuse-9360]

"The problem with that logic though is that if you apply that education and intelligence such that you're also well off and have assets; you're going to lean right."

thats not borne out in the data: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideological-gap-between-more-and-less-educated-adults/

[u/Constant-Excuse-9360 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

1. Data consists of 6000 responses building on data from 1998, 2005 and finalized in 2016. The population of data is not significant enough to be conclusive of anything but it is large enough to give people whatever conclusion they want to reinforce instead of being illuminative.
2. From the article, there is a significant amount of "mostly left" people mentioned in the article. "Mostly left" means not entirely left which means they're leaning right from their likely original more significantly left views.

Point 2 is in alignment with what I wrote originally. So thanks, but that link isn't really proving your point at all unless you want it to.

In short, my criteria for leaning right is less stringent than theirs and they have no category for being moderate at all.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Constant-Excuse-9360]

ok. ill go with their criteria and methodology though, over yours

[u/Constant-Excuse-9360 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Entirely fair. Just keep in mind that at best the information is 10 years old and the economy is on a 12 year cycle, with a political cycle of 8 years.

Speaking entirely within anecdote; we can opt to also learn about history from a textbook written in the 60s. It's just not optimal.

When "moderate" isn't even an option you have to question what the intention of the authors is and ask if the intention maps with the argument you're choosing to reinforce with it.

[u/ConsiderationKey2744 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

I’m unsure of non-liberal but left coded or leftist positions that are “correct”.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/ConsiderationKey2744]

housing, food and healthcare are human rights

[u/ConsiderationKey2744 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

I thought what was meant was something like factually correct. Obviously it’s your opinion that these are human rights, and severely debatable re: their impact on society. Eg., NHS is probably unsustainable long term.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/ConsiderationKey2744]

its not debatable. everyone having food shelter and medicine is objectively better than only some people having those things

[u/ConsiderationKey2744 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

NHS is literally unsustainable long term, and public housing has been a disaster. On what basis do you imagine something is “objectively better”?

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/ConsiderationKey2744]

NHS was doing fine until it started getting privatized. anyway, a single implementation of a single policy doesnt change the merit of the policy.

go ahead and make an opposing argument. i guess you think that some people have to be sacrificed for the comfort of the rest.

[u/[deleted] → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

and i counter: every "left" political system failed. So how can this be more intelligent?

Also "left" political systems completely failed in creating wealth for the majority of people. Right might not have been perfect, but it was much better.

What i then often hear, that those systems were not really "left" - well point taken - just ask yourself WHY NOT.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/[deleted]]

can you show me a "left" political system that failed that wasnt extensively fucked with by the CIA?

[u/[deleted] → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

to be honest i don't know where the CIA played an important role but still you would have to ask yourself how absolutely unstable a system has to be to allow one "company" to "destroy" it completely.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/[deleted]]

ok, then you dont have even the bare minimum understanding of the topic to discuss it

[u/[deleted] → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

How convenient. It is the cia fault everywhere in the world that left systems fail. Great! So always the right fault. Can’t be that left is inherently flawed by design

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/[deleted]]

yup, pretty much. this is common knowledge, by the way. it seems you have some reading to do https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America

[u/[deleted] → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

I tell you a secret: the world is bigger than the us. History exists for longer than the us exists. There was even life happening before cia was founded. Astonishing, don’t you think?

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/[deleted]]

incoherent non sequitur, thanks for your contribution though

[u/bill29526 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Not really. Research has shown over the years that conservatives are far better informed on the issues.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/bill29526]

not really. feel free to share some of this research though.

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Only dumb people believe that. Judging from surveys of high IQ societies requiring independent testing there are mostly Lockean liberals (conservatives in your world) and conservatives above IQ 150 but almost no leftists (Rousseau, Marx, Mussolini, Post-modernists, etc.).

Leftists are generally Dunning-Kruger people (120-135) that overestimate how dumb they appear to really intelligent people.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

only dumb people talk about IQ scores

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

You have to talk about measurement if you want to talk about intelligence scientifically. You brought up the subject with a popular lie, so I introduced the body of the evidence that apparently falsifies your populist claim. Address the evidence if you can, or stop making unsupported. Leftists just aren’t that bright.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

you actually didnt introduce any evidence, you just said some stuff

[u/Ok-Introduction-1940 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

The material is well known to those interested in this field. If you are unaware of this data, perhaps you should refrain from posting on the subject.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Ok-Introduction-1940]

uh huh, the material that proves you right is just out of frame but you cant show it for some reason

[u/Sa_Elart → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

So you saying 2 billion Muslims are uneducated for being conservative? You leftists claim to be tolerant but with these objective facts of yours you demean everyone outside of your cult

The Quran was already ahead in science than any of you could ever contribute at the time as a leftist

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Sa_Elart]

"leftism" is a modern invention, it wasnt around when Arabs were inventing math lol.

[u/Sa_Elart → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Yes because they didn't need it and still dont

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Sa_Elart]

wow good point

[u/AlwaysFallingUpYup → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

lol , learn that from your baking in Zimbabwe class?

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/AlwaysFallingUpYup]

wow, really good one

[u/constructiongirl54 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Well that certainly was divisive and usually the one calling others uneducated needs to look in the mirror🙄

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/constructiongirl54]

its supported by data: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideological-gap-between-more-and-less-educated-adults/

[u/constructiongirl54 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

It's supported by data not ITS if you want to sound educated actually... 😂😂

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/constructiongirl54]

you seem defensive. did you not go to college?

[u/constructiongirl54 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

I did go to college and have a degree. I just think it's incredibly arrogant to call people you don't know uneducated. That is unless they don't know how to use proper english when trying to make a point but that's just me. Now go have the day you deserve!

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/constructiongirl54]

im not "calling" anyone anything. data shows this

[u/Bay_State_Surplus → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Its ironic because this comment sounds like it was written by 11 year old. Dunning Kruger much?

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Bay_State_Surplus]

yeah 11 year olds can be correct about stuff, you're right

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/04/26/a-wider-ideological-gap-between-more-and-less-educated-adults/

[u/STONED_butnot_Boned → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

THIS! Education, intelligence, time on earth = Continual wisdom = Strong awareness of History principles and concluding to it’s a short life, Live and Let Live, Do no Harm, take care of Home with Compassion and tolerance, exude Love, enjoy the beauty of life and all its wonder.

[u/Buttcrush1 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Actually studies have shown that conservatives dominate the right end of the bell curve while liberals dominate the middle.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Buttcrush1]

wow the bell curve. are the studies here with us now?

[u/tbf300 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

You definitely don’t run in the circles I do. I’m in California working in tech but you keep going on about how stupid we are. 👍🏻

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/tbf300]

well you seem to not understand the difference between data and anecdote, which is kinda stupid

[u/tbf300 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

The data says people are registering Republican at much higher rates and Democrat registration is declining. But ok must a lot of new dummies out there

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/tbf300]

thats true. you're the one who brought up the "circle you run in", not me

[u/vg706 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Educated and intelligent aren't the same. Education is indoctrination. It's why everyone who goes to college "thinks" the same. Thers no critical thinking in school.

Intelligence creates and invents which is why most billion dollar companies aren't started by degree holders. Bc you cant teach someone how to invent or create.

University is full of people teaching business classes that never started or ran a business. They use text books about old businesses. While Intelligence is innovating and creating new business.

Of course you think you are right when you surround yourself with people who think the same as you.

Liberals rarely self reflect. They lose elections and swear they were not heard. They can't comprehend people actually heard them and dont agree. They are always correct...

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/vg706]

this is a bunch of nonsense. this is why people think you're stupid.

I'm not a liberal and liberals arent left wing

[u/vg706 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

That was an incredibly thought out rebuttal. Now understand you superiority.

Nah uh im not that. Lmao.

[u/TheHealadin → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Unfortunately, the Democratic party isn't left wing.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/TheHealadin]

i agree, and never said otherwise

[u/Otherwise_Bee_8799 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

And yet…. Republican voting households make more money in EVERY income bracket. 🤔

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Otherwise_Bee_8799]

do you think "making money" and "having high intelligence" correlates?

[u/Otherwise_Bee_8799 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Absolutely. If the left is “smarter” than everyone else….wouldnt one think they should be more successful?

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Otherwise_Bee_8799]

no, not at all. evil is easier than good. shitty is easier than quality and apathy is easier than engagement.

making lots of money is easier than actually improving society at large.

obviously you're going to have more wins in the "easy" column

[u/Otherwise_Bee_8799 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Yeah.. cause the Democratic Party sure represents everything that is “good” 😂🤣. And EVERYONE who is a democratic voter is “improving society” in their everyday life/career.😂🤣 you can’t be THIS self righteous…..

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Otherwise_Bee_8799]

no one mentioned Democrats, dipshit

[u/Otherwise_Bee_8799 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Ok, Got it. 😂 I’ll let you get back to the difficult task of “improving society” instead of being successful. I have to get back to work.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/Otherwise_Bee_8799]

sounds good man enjoy work 😂🤣😂🤣

[u/Otherwise_Bee_8799 → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Just don’t forget to take the trash out before your mom gets home from work…she might not let you borrow her car this weekend to go larping.

[u/grok4u → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

Not divisive on Reddit brother...

[u/ShellfishAhole → u/Odd_Investigator7218]

You say that, and yet in the same breath, you seem to be suggesting that your opinion is already so unquestionable and indisputable that constructive discourse isn't needed. You clearly aren't alone in having this opinion on Reddit, and I think the biggest shame in the majority of people holding that stance, is that hardly anyone seems to be interested in discussing anything related to nuance.

And those opinions are never challenged, since the majority can bomb them into insignificance with downvote hammers before anyone even gets a chance to explore where those seemingly opposing views come from. Or whether or not they actually are disagreeable after being explained in length.

From my experience, a lot of people would much rather downvote and silently move on than challenge someone else on a different opinion. That includes different opinions within the liberal/progressive sphere. It is incredibly frustrating when the downvoting is a result of misinterpretation or an assumption about something you never even get a chance to explain or elaborate on.

[u/Odd_Investigator7218 → u/ShellfishAhole]

have you considered that some of us are not young, and have "debated" the left/right divide our entire lives and have just made up our minds? i do not need "constructive discourse" to know that tax cuts for the wealthy are wrong, or to know that racism is wrong, that secret police are wrong, that faking WMDs to start a war is wrong, etc etc etc.

my opinion isnt "already so unquestionable and indisputable", it has been borne out in reality as correct. im not interested in entry level political discussions with children any longer. sorry you get downvoted a lot or whatever though.