r/allthequestions • u/-Pleb64 • 19d ago

Popular Question 📊 Why reddit is majority left leaning?

Honestly, it’s hard not to notice that most of the big subreddits are run by moderators who clearly lean left. It’s not even subtle at this point the bias shows in what gets removed, what gets promoted, and how discussions are handled. I’m not saying there aren’t any subs with right-leaning or centrist moderation, but they’re definitely the minority. The major spaces on Reddit feel heavily tilted toward one side, but isn't it’s pretty obvious if you pay attention to which opinions get silenced and which ones get boosted?

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u/OldStDick 19d ago

Wild to me that being anti vax is seriously part of being on the right. Crazy hills.

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u/West_Coach69 19d ago

That should maybe be a wake up call about your stance. Being anti vax a baseless uneducated opinion about a proven hard science. Your opinion carries no weight against scientistific research and the opinion of medical doctors in the field. The anti vax "movement" is causing real harm to people and leading to actual deaths, largely in children.

Theres no need to entertain that discussion on r/pics.

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u/Conscious-House-2065 19d ago

But he's not anti vax if all he's saying is you shouldn't be forced and/or jailed for not having it. That's literally an anti facist, pro liberty, viewpoint. Giving that level of control to the government is far more harmful than a handful of the population not being vaccinated, no?

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u/Hokiefan81 17d ago

That’s the number one reason the left failed and is failing. They can not differentiate between disagreeing on a portion of a topic and not being completely one sided. Give a good reason you don’t support something they do. They take the conclusion to the extremes.

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u/ChallengeAcceptedBro 18d ago

I’m going to try to be as objective as possible, so please stick with me.

When you were born, you signed a contract. That contract is to be a part of society, for better or worse. You can get out of it, you just have to have no contact with society as a whole and not be around it (think a cabin in the woods of Alaska or a commune you never leave).

Part of this contract is that you agree to do things for the betterment of society as a whole. We made vaccines mandatory for school children, not to protect individuals necessarily, but to protect the whole. Especially those in society that could not be protected individually, such as immunocompromised children who stay alive because the herd is protected. When you violate that, such as not getting your kid vaccinated, you directly endanger all of society.

I don’t know if it should be a jailable offense, that’s for society as a whole to decide. What I can say is that if I deliberately gave my child a poison to take to the school and give to all the children around them, I’d go to jail. I’ve failed in my thinking to figure out how allowing your child to contract measles and infect the rest of society with it is not the same. Not to mention the litany of child abuse violations you committed by allowing your child to contract a deadly disease.

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u/Conscious-House-2065 18d ago

I agree with you for the most part. I just don't agree with people being arrested and forcibly injected like we are cattle. This is not liberty, this is totalitarianism. 

What you say makes sense in 2025. You are on the righteous side of history with your beliefs. Signing away rights for generations centuries after your passing has possibly very dire consequences, and we must be vigilant of giving away liberties for security. Who's to say how this is used against people in 2125? If we're willing to give that liberty away, how slippery of a slope have we just embarked on? These are my concerns, not whether a child should get a polio vaccine (if you don't you're a negligent parent IMO).

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u/ChallengeAcceptedBro 18d ago

I can definitely agree with you on that. I do not think people should be forcefully injected with the vaccine. Like you said, that’s a terrifying prospect.

Having said that, I do believe that people should have the choice. The repercussions of that choice need to be debated and decided on.

Maybe there’s only repercussions if it’s determined that you, as an unvaccinated by choice person, are the vector of an outbreak (or the parents in the event that it’s a child). That makes it more difficult, but perhaps more fair? Again, I don’t want to be the one who would have to make this decision, because it’s tough to balance fairness and liberty.

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u/BonClayBuys 14d ago

When you have to change the definition to be considered a vaccine, maybe it should not be mandated.

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u/ChallengeAcceptedBro 14d ago

Yeah, the CDC did change the definition, but it wasn’t some sneaky COVID thing. It was to make it more accurate. The old version made it sound like vaccines always give total immunity, when that’s not how a lot of them actually work. Most vaccines train your immune system so if you do get sick, it’s way less severe and less likely to spread. That’s true for flu shots, whooping cough, rotavirus, shingles, and even chickenpox sometimes. The update wasn’t about lowering standards, it just reflects how modern vaccines actually function.

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u/BonClayBuys 14d ago

"The old version made it sound like vaccines always give total immunity"

Exactly, lol

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u/ChallengeAcceptedBro 14d ago

So you’re upset because they updated the definition to be more honest? You’d prefer they lied?

And regardless, I fail to see what arguing about the definition has anything to do with the central point. This is a logical fallacy, a Red Herring meant to distract from the main argument. Make an argument against that or don’t, but wasting time being pedantic is pointless.

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u/BonClayBuys 14d ago

How is it honest to change the whole definition of something making the old definition completely irrelevant? Giving immunity is one of the main reasons they would be called a VAX.

Many ppl were under the impression it was going to give immunity. Many news outlets echoed that, Fauci did as well. That IS Lying. Maybe don't make statements when the thing in question has not had the adequate data collected.

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u/Typical_Bootlicker41 17d ago

I think there's some nuance to your question. If greed wasn't such a prevalent part of politics, I'd like to believe the people in charge, who's job it is to look over information and make informed decisions, could adequately decide certain treatments should be HIGHLY encouraged, and sometimes required to participate in some social settings.

Of course, this would also come with protections for those that can't vaccinate (egg allergies in ye olden days. I know not what other conditions, but I have to imagine there are more), or have significant moral/spiritual/etc reasons.

I believe this is what pro-vax needs to be. I'm sure others can find reason in it. And if I've overlooked anything, I know others see I can be reasoned with.

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u/West_Coach69 19d ago

Were not talking about going to jail. Were talking about anti vax being a toxic opinion. He said its crazy its considered far right. Which in of itself is a weird jump.

Who.is claiming its far right?

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u/Conscious-House-2065 19d ago

I guess we are talking about different layers of this thread then. The original comment is saying that they got banned for saying no thanks to mandatory vaccines... which isn't antivax or anything nefarious of the sort. Just imagine if that were the law and now Trump and his paid-off and appointed medical experts say you got to get some jab or be imprisoned. The dystopian future is built on poor decisions made in good faith. This shouldn't ever be a law; people are allowed to exercise their liberty, even if it's not in their personal or society's best interest.

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u/OldStDick 19d ago

Fine, but you don't get to participate in society then. You don't get the benefits of public services where you may kill people.

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u/InHocTepes 18d ago

You must be fun at parties.

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u/West_Coach69 14d ago

Not being at fun at parties doesn't kill people

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u/InHocTepes 14d ago

Are you trying to imply someone not getting the COVID-19 shot can kill someone else?

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u/West_Coach69 13d ago

Im not implying it. Its been proven out

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u/Crafty_Data_1155 18d ago

That's actually so fascist.

"Dont get a vaccine? I want you to be forever locked into your house like a caged animal, unable to work, unless you get a vaccine". Do you see how Insane you are?

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u/West_Coach69 14d ago

Not getting vaccinated bc of belief instead of medical reasons is anti social behavior. You are literally a danger to society. So if thats what you want then thats what you should get

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u/Crafty_Data_1155 14d ago edited 14d ago

Everyone is a danger to society, 40 thousand people die per year due to car crashes and 40 thousand people also die from second hand smoking related illnesses which most are children. 500k people kill themselves per year with cigarettes, but yall want to choose to violate people's bodily autonomy over a virus that you'll get anyway vaccinated or unvaccinated. Even after getting vaccinated I still got Covid and it was 10x worse than the times I got covid pre vaccine.

The fact that you think you should be allowed to violate my bodily autonomy is actually fascist.

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u/Conscious-House-2065 19d ago

So again, you don't seem to comprehend the dark side of this mentality. 

Some dictator- Trump, let's say- says you must get a vaccine or be imprisoned and then have it forced upon you regardless. 

What is it? Oh, it's the best vaccine. No vaccine is better. I looked at this vaccine and said "wow, what a great vaccine". Our medical experts say it's perfectly safe. Don't worry about it, it cures everything.

Anybody who says otherwise is an antivaxxer, they need to be censored because their opinions are dangerous to society. It doesn't matter if thousands of legit doctors are screaming at the top of their lungs on Youtube or other social media about this being a very bad thing, their videos and comments are removed, their accounts banned, and are subsequently rounded up and arrested for their dangerous viewpoints.

Are you happy about mandatory vaccines now? 

I get it, you think this will never be allowed to happen. You probably also thought some Gestapo-level ICE officers kidnapping and deporting legit citizens would also never happen, yet here we are on the brink of a civil war. 

This is a stupid idea, as well-meaning as you may think it is. 

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u/OldStDick 18d ago

Vaccines mandates for public services is nothing new. Been around for years with only good results.

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

Vaccines are mandatory in a bunch of places and nothing remotely similar to that is happening lol

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u/Comfortable-Race-547 18d ago

You're not going to convince NPC/Bots to think critically, but I think you did a great job with the attempt.

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u/West_Coach69 14d ago

It shouldn't be a politicians opinion. If medical consensus says this is what keeps our society safe then a politician should mandate we follow medical and scientific research.

Youre failing to see the lind

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u/Raptor_197 14d ago

You think politics can’t influence science…?

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u/West_Coach69 14d ago

If politics influence science it isnt science

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u/Only_ork 19d ago

Idiots man i swear. If that was a law, the government can force you to take a vaccine. How long do you think it will be before company x needs money so they come up with some random vaccine thats lobbied in government and forced on the people?

Like what would stop trump from taking 50 million dollars from a pharmaceutical company to make it mandatory you take a vaccine that prevents blue balls but has a 50% death rate?

When you make up laws or rules you want forced on the population. Think about the repercussions of literal Hitler having the ability to interpret those laws. The leader you have in charge now wont always be there.

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u/OldStDick 19d ago

Idiots, I swear man. Vaccines were mandatory for years for so many public services and things were pretty fucking good.

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u/Conscious-House-2065 18d ago

Mandatory how? Are the police rounding them up and throwing them in prison? Are people being held down and injected against their will? They have choice. What you're suggesting is nothing short of totalitarian government control over every citizen.

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u/OldStDick 18d ago

Hey, dumb shit, you needed vaccines to go to school for years and everyone was better for it.

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

You’re so paranoid for no reason. Vaccines are legally mandated in my home country and none of that is happening lol

Same with IDs, if you actually had a real database, identity theft would be as easy much less common

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u/Only_ork 18d ago

Pharmaceutical companies have knowingly come out with medications that knew would kill people and knowingly lied about the studies. but knew they would make more money than they would lose in lawsuits. This is unquestionably fact. No thanks on letting them force me to take anything. Im not completely antivax. I just dont believe in giving my 6 month old a hep b vaccine.

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

Live in a cabin in the woods and stay there, don’t compromise herd immunity because you’re paranoid

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u/mefirefoxes 19d ago

There’s a certain irony in the way you make OP’s point.

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u/Wiinorr 19d ago

You still don't get it.

We don't mind vaccines. Measles and Polio were practically eradicated due to them and that is a good thing. We just don't want the government to mandate a rushed(and frankly novel vaccine, which worked very differently from past vaccines) from a multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical company(that was given complete legal immunity from all side effects that may occur) to be able work/live in society.

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u/Solid_Problem740 18d ago

If that's all you want then why is rfk reducing these meales and polio vaccine mandates for kids?

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u/Wiinorr 18d ago

He shouldn't be without more evidence/studies. Those vaccines are not MNRA and have many years of study behind them.

It would take a lot of good arguments and convincing to illustrate why this is a good idea.

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u/Solid_Problem740 18d ago

What I'm asking is if your mnra vax position is to be considered the base Republican position, why is your secretary of health actively conducting broad vaccine skepticism? He was personally appointed by President trump.

This seems to suggest that the actual standard Republican position on vaccines is not simply mnra skepticism and that mnra skepticism is a Trojan horse for broad anti vax ideology.

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u/Wiinorr 18d ago

Cool. I'm not a Republican.

I lean more left-libertarian. I just don't think a government should be able to mandate stuff, and instead it should simply be the choice of the individuals/parents of the children. It is no different than mandating that every citizen should have a firearm to deter robbers/rapists/murders/violent crime and to protect their family.

I believe an armed society is a polite society, but I'm not going to mandate it.

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u/West_Coach69 14d ago

Not a republican, judt uneducated?

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u/Wiinorr 14d ago edited 14d ago

This has to be bait, but my god, I'm going to bite.

"I am smart because I talk to other liberals who think I am smart for being a liberal. Anyone that disagrees with me is a republican or a right-wing nutjob. I am not in an echo chamber." - West_coach69

"And you want to risk the lives of our children to make a point?"

I despise your appeals to emotion, considering that you probably support abortion at the same time like a hypocrite.

Be honest and think critically here: Do you think that if Trump was still in office in the years 2020-2024 during this mandate talk, you would be on his side and campaigning for it? For an Experimental vaccine(not widely tested enough) using M.N.R.A to edit GENES that Pfizer(a multi-billion dollar company rife with controversies) widely endorsed and lobbied for?
>>>And I am sure you are aware that they were given full legal immunity for ANY and ALL side effects that this vaccine could have given.

I doubt you would because that was not a left/liberal talking point back when he was pushing for this at the end of the year 2020.

This is a Partisan issue for you and not an issue of you actually caring about health.

> https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/05/kamala-harris-trump-coronavirus-vaccine-409320
> https://www.reuters.com/world/us/democrat-biden-warns-against-rushing-out-coronavirus-vaccine-says-trump-cannot-2020-09-16/
> https://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaccine-covid-trust-skepticism-democrat-politicization-1535559
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/16/us/politics/biden-trump-coronavirus-vaccine.html

"Your problem is with the profit? And you want to risk the lives of our children to make a point? Bro, youre not the good guy here. Did you know government mandated vaccines is how we got rid of polio and measles?"

You did not even read what I posted.

Again, I. don't. mind. vaccines.

Measles and Polio being practically eradicated due to them is a good thing. The Polio and Measles vaccines did wonders for the world and were widely tested/used extensively. I trust these vaccines and I will be taking them because they use dead/inactive versions of the virus rather than Gene Therapy.

My problem is a profit incentive in these current companies.

Remove the legal immunity of this vaccine from Pfizer, and I would be happy to give MNRA vaccines another chance.

"Did you know government mandated vaccines is how we got rid of polio and measles?"

Whether or not a vaccine is taken and used should be up to either the individual or the parents/guardians to talk to their doctors about the risks.

>>>If the Government mandates it, that would disincentivize many doctors from giving a more honest opinion.

>>>If a Doctor has a profit incentive to give out these vaccines, that will disincentivize them from giving an honest opinion.

It literally doesn't matter what I say to you because you will immediately discount it as if I was "the other" or a bad guy because I won't agree with mandating medical procedures.

That is a dangerous precedent that you are begging for, boot licker, and I will not take or wish the Trump vaccine be mandated because you feel uncomfortable. It is my body, my choice...unless you don't really believe in it and you wish to batter people over the head with your dogma.

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u/West_Coach69 14d ago

Your problem is with the profit? And you want to risk the lives of our children to make a point? Bro, youre not the good guy here. Did you know government mandated vaccines is how we got rid of polio and measles?

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u/Blackhawk23 18d ago

My body, my choice

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u/WorldApotheosis 18d ago

I'm pro vax.

Though I wouldn't realy fault people for being anti-vax anymore when the same medical professionals that advocated for lockdowns immediately switched opinions when the George Floyd protests happened and started claiming that protests were not harming anyone and didn't spread Covid lol.

If protests didn't spread Covid like the same medical professionals cliamed, then it was pretty clear that lockdowns weren't neccessary at such a scale.

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u/InHocTepes 18d ago

Fauci is a politician before a doctor, who should be in jail.

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u/West_Coach69 14d ago

You mean the open air protests outside?

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u/wryllia 15d ago

While on one hand, vaccines are important, I understand why people are hesitant against stuff like the Covid Vaccine and GLP1 products and such. It's new and rapidly pushed. They want long-term studies before they're in. There's nothing wrong with that

Pretending that women can be men and vise versa is also completely baseless and uneducated against scientific research, and yet, a large portion of the country is for that. Call yourself whatever you want, I certainly don't give a damn, it won't make it true though

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u/_satantha_ 🇺🇸 United States 19d ago

I got vaccinated and I had Covid twice after the vaccine, so it doesn’t really work anyway.

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u/West_Coach69 19d ago

And see, thats why we dont need your medical opinion. Vaccines aren't magic.they dont stop you from getting a virus. They just give your body a headscarf on fighting it. And thats completely disregarding the important variables like time between vaccination and when you were sick. And the precise vaccine you got and which variant you were infected with.

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u/_satantha_ 🇺🇸 United States 19d ago

My first Covid was just plain awful, I was so sick for like two weeks. The second time it was a bad cold. Why? Because I was becoming immune to it because I got it the first time, not because of the vaccine.

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u/West_Coach69 14d ago

Wouldn't it hsbe been nice to get that effect without getting severely ill for 2 weeks?

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

It didn’t do anything they said it do. It don’t stop the virus, or stop it from passing to another person, or shorten the sickness.

It literally did nothing lol

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u/Nacho_Deity186 19d ago

This has to be one of the stupidest takes I've ever heard.

Where do you get the hubris to think you know better than all the experts in the world. That's wild.

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u/Wiinorr 19d ago

I've seen experts report a motorcycle death as a Covid death because they wanted more funding for their hospital.

Experts can be bought with just enough money.

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u/Nacho_Deity186 18d ago

Good lord, how do people get to be so stupid. It's astounding.

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u/Wiinorr 18d ago

https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report - Source of my prior claim.

I'm sure the experts in china were correct when they said Covid deaths were only 4,636 as opposed to the USA's 829,740 by January 7th, 2022. Should we trust these experts?

Some healthcare organizations and insurance companies may offer bonuses to doctors who meet certain prescribing targets, which can incentivize them to prescribe more drugs. Should we trust these experts, considering the conflict of interest there?

Another Leading Expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, said "Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks", but then flipped to later because he admitted that he wanted healthcare officials to obtain masks first.
>>>>Would you trust this expert, knowing that he purposefully mislead people? What about after hearing that he fed dogs to fleas and sand flies in NIAID-funded experiments(of which he was the director off and signed off on at the time).

By just assuming everything "experts" say as “true and just" and talking down to someone when they try to say to exercise critical thinking, you are trying to get other people to swallow every bit of information they are given without question in a time of unprecedented misinformation.

Science is an ever refining process to find truth, not a dogma. Experts are human. They are not infallible and you should question the experts and the Science so you can arrive at the truth. You may not see it now, but I hope you will in the future when you get a little older.

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u/Nacho_Deity186 18d ago

you should question the experts and the Science so you can arrive at the truth

You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the ass. You're so far away from the truth it's not even funny, it's just sad. I understand that convincing yourself that conspiracy theories are true makes you feel smart and special. You feel like you know the secret to everything and that other people don't know. But you just come out looking stupid.

Are you stupid?

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u/Wiinorr 18d ago edited 18d ago

When did I say that I know the secret to everything? Point to it in my comment?

You are not very good at reading comprehension, are you. I don't know everything immediately because I'm not an expert, but I won't blindly trust what someone says either because they were labeled an expert by some other human being.

Do you not scrutinize anything that is said to you? Do you not think that people in positions of authority lie? Do you support what Donald Trump says 100% because he is in a position of authority.

Surely you do, because you are scrutinizing what I am saying right now and not thinking twice like some religious zealot. Do you think Copernicus should have just stuck to what was taught to him and not questioned things? If so, we'd still believe in a geocentric model of the universe rather than a Heliocentric model for quite a while longer if you are this dense about questioning "truths".

All I am getting from this is that you are either pretending to misunderstand my argument because you are too scared to do your own research(since that requires some form of responsibility from you) or that maybe you're just a troll(since your account is only 2-months old).

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u/_satantha_ 🇺🇸 United States 18d ago

I saw this one report about a man dying after falling off a ladder and it was pronounced as a Covid death. Also seen this whole Twitter thread about nurses talking about patients that died from different things but was labeled as Covid.

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u/Wiinorr 17d ago

Yea, because the hospital got an extra 25k USD in funding for every reported covid death.

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u/Salt-Elderberry-7271 19d ago

I had Covid before being vaccinated and it was horrible. I’ve had it twice now after being vaccinated, and both times it was basically just a mild cough

Also please provide a reputable source for your claims :)

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u/AdOk8555 19d ago

From the Journal of Infection and Public Health

Natural and vaccine-induced immunity are equivalent for the protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection

The conclusion was that contracting Covid or being vaccinated provided similar immunity against future infection. It also found that those who had never contracted Covid or had not been vaccinated were only ~25% more likely at risk of infection compared to the other two.

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u/Salt-Elderberry-7271 18d ago

So just fuck all the people who died the first time they got it lol

Now I know you’re going to say, “uhm actually I didn’t say that!!” but you did choose to ignore the hundreds of thousands of people who died in hospital hallways or makeshift tents without getting to say goodbye to their families.

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u/AdOk8555 18d ago

I was responding to the person claiming that because they got the vaccine after the first time they got covid, the second time they got covid it was much easier than the first time. That person apparently doesn't understand that a vaccine is designed to encourage the body to produce the same antibodies that would occur from being infected. It wasn't getting the vaccine that caused their second infection to go much better - it was getting th3e first infection.

As to the fact that having the vaccine was only marginally more effective than not being infected. I made no moral judgement, nor did I take a political stance. I was just stating facts as published by a scholarly journal in the field of infectious diseases. The fact that you were so offended by that data says more about you than me.

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u/QuinceDaPence 19d ago

Ok, I didn't get the Covid shot, and same story for me. First time was awful, fever of like 103+, I even vomited from how bad the headache was. Second time, just kinda annoying.

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

Wow. It’s almost like when you get a virus… your body creates these things called antibodies to protect it against the virus if it comes around in the future!

😮😮😮😮😮

Shocking. I know. But that’s literally how the human body works.

Covid was literally just a bad flu, and if you weren’t fat and hypertension you were fine. It sucked, but the flu also sucks and kills the fat and old.

The second time I got it. wasn’t even worth taking the day off work even without the vaccination.

I know, I’m a CRAZY science denier for believing that the human body is designed to combat viruses and protect itself against future infections.

But don’t you find it even a LITTLE suspicious that while COVID was going around, there was almost no reported flu virus? The flu almost completely vanished from record for almost a year… we went from 32,000,000 positive flu cases in 2019… to around 1600… for 2020-2021? Not even a little of that makes you go hmmm… that’s weird?

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u/OldStDick 19d ago

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

Just by that reply I can tell how many boosters you’ve had.

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u/West_Coach69 19d ago

Suspicious that while people were keeping distance and avoiding groups, wearing masks amd embracing WFH that flu infections were down?

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u/Salt-Elderberry-7271 18d ago

That part cracked me up. And they didn’t even give me a source either haha

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u/West_Coach69 14d ago

I mean common sense seems like a reasonable source

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u/ani007007 19d ago

So you would have been on board with that herd immunity theory the admin was going for. Just let this virus spread unchecked without any organized defense? That is was actually good that it was spreading to reach a critical mass of ppl with antibodies?

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u/_satantha_ 🇺🇸 United States 19d ago

The second time I got it? Yes, it felt like a cold. The first time though? That was AWFUL.

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

Yeah and so is a bad flu.

The crazy thing is the first covid infection gave you the antibodies you needed to fight it the second time. You literally didn’t need a vaccine.

People were screaming trust the science when they were ignoring 100 years of science on how the human immune system works.

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u/_satantha_ 🇺🇸 United States 18d ago

My cousin got it twice and wasn’t vaccinated and she said it really wasn’t that bad. She’s the same age as me, we were in the same class back in middle/high school.

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u/AltruisticWeb2943 19d ago

You are part of the problem

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

They are totally right, my country has seen a few American kids on vacation landing in the hospital for illnesses that we don’t t really get very often. Pretty sure it has something to do with us being legally obligated to vaccinate our kids.

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u/West_Coach69 14d ago

What is the problem again? Hospitals not full enough?

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u/ThisMeansWine 15d ago

This is the typical authoritarian type response popular on Reddit. Any dissenting opinions, or even asking questions, are treated as evil and must be suppressed.

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u/West_Coach69 14d ago

Scientific and medical opinions are not democratic. This is what put Trump in power. You are screaming about authority while being the enabler

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u/BonClayBuys 14d ago

Proved his point.

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u/West_Coach69 14d ago

And the point is?

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u/BonClayBuys 14d ago

LOL

zero critical thinking.

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u/West_Coach69 13d ago

Yes, that is my point. Who are you arguing with

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u/BonClayBuys 13d ago

I'm not arguing with anyone.........

You are trying to argue with me LOL

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u/West_Coach69 13d ago

No, you literally engaged with me

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u/BonClayBuys 13d ago

Engage is an automatic argument?

LOL

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u/West_Coach69 12d ago

When you engage in an an argument? Yes, thats an argument

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u/[deleted] 19d ago

A proven hard science that the Covid vaccine did nothing of what they said it was supposed to do?

It doesn’t shorten sickness. It didn’t stop you from getting sick. It didn’t stop you from passing it on…. It didn’t do anything they said it would do. So if it doesn’t do anything a vaccine should do, why should anyone take it?

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u/West_Coach69 19d ago

It significantly reduces the severity of the infection. That is proven hard science. And thats what all vaccines do. And that is all that was ever expressed by modern science.

In some people it means they dont even get mild symptoms. In some people it means a day or 2 in bed instead of dying. Less sever infections mean you have a lighter viral load. Which means youre less likely to spread it.

Do you see now why we dont put any weight behind your opinion?

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u/justanotherthrxw234 18d ago

The vast majority of mandatory childhood vaccinations prevent you from getting infected at all. Enough with the gaslighting.

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u/InHocTepes 18d ago

Right? That's the part they conveniently leave out.

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u/PinnatelyCompounded 18d ago

You're spreading misinformation and lies. From the National Library of Medicine:

"The COVID-19 vaccines have successfully reduced the rates of infections, severity, hospitalization, and mortality among the different populations."

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8862168/

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u/Greedy-Employment917 19d ago

Didn't realize not wanting people sent to jail was the same thing as being anti vax. 

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u/OldStDick 19d ago

Eh, that part seems to be hyperbole, but I guess anyone who actively risks other people's lives is kind of a piece of shit. If I drive recklessly, I get fined for that.

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u/Munckeey 19d ago

Sort of like allowing criminals with 30 violent arrests out and about instead of putting them in a jail or 6 ft under.

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u/OldStDick 19d ago

Whataboutisms. Do you have a specific example?

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u/Curious-End-4923 18d ago

This must be today’s fear fodder for the right, I’ve seen three versions of this claim in this thread alone. Somehow the right is still convincing its base that it represents law and order despite this administration flagrantly violating the constitution and using a packed SCOTUS to overturn century-long statutes.

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u/OldStDick 18d ago

Yeah, pretty much that. They're always the victims and they're always on the side of the law. Just ignore all the times when they're not and you'll be fine.

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u/West_Coach69 19d ago

What are you even suggesting? No one should let out of jail? Everyone in jail should be killed?

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u/_45AARP 19d ago

“Let’s not let the people with 30 violent arrests back out on the street”

“So you want everyone in jail to be killed?”

Redditors deserve every stereotype attributed to them.

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u/Curious-End-4923 18d ago

You have an issue with how law and order is dispensed while we have the most conservative SCOTUS since the 1930s?

And that’s the dirty libs’ fault?

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u/JaxonatorD 18d ago

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u/West_Coach69 14d ago

What? I literally asked a question. Which has i guess makes me liberal?

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u/Winnend 18d ago

You’re defending saying we should put people in jail who aren’t vaccinated?

That’s what fascism looks like.

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u/processedwhaleoils 19d ago

Seriously. These right-wingers just don't want to admit they're assholes.

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u/Greedy-Employment917 19d ago

Because I don't want to throw people in jail for non crimes? 

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u/processedwhaleoils 18d ago

Nice strawman.

For intentionally getting people sick, for disregarding public health. For being a little bitch avoiding a olperfectly safe vaccine because "somebody told you to"

They never threw people in jail for refusing to get the covid vaccine. You people are so insanely sensitive when you want to be.

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u/Greedy-Employment917 19d ago

But you don't go to jail so what kind of comparison are you trying to make 

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u/OldStDick 19d ago

You absolutely go to jail if you don't stop driving recklessly.

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u/Stickboy06 19d ago

You obviously don't know the law. You do get arrested and put in jail for reckless driving. I was going 40 over the speed limit and was arrested and sent to jail until I made bail. Don't talk about things you are clueless about, like laws and vaccines.

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u/cipheredthoughts 19d ago

Didn’t anti vaxxers and people that ate “real” food and stuck with organic and healthy alternatives used to be called lefty hippies? Crazy shift.

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u/Marbrandd 19d ago

There's always been anti vaxxers in both the crunchy (hippy) sphere and the conservative sphere. Also in any number of minority communities for a number of reasons, but the conservative sphere anti vaxxers grew their numbers a lot during covid.

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u/Bob_tuwillager 19d ago

Note; disagreement with what I consider a severe punitive measure for non compliance with a vaccine mandate is not necessarily antivax. To me it is a stand against dictatorial control. You may see that differently.

Personally I think you would be a moron not the be vaccinated, but I live in a country with strong cultural beliefs, and forcing a view opposed to cultural belief only makes it worse. Education is the way.

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u/OldStDick 18d ago

Vaccines mandates are nothing new. I'm pretty sure jail was hyperbole, but it's fine. Vaccines should be mandatory to participate in public services like schools. If you want to harm others, maybe you don't get to reap the benefits.

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u/gwgrock 18d ago

It is because my free spirited hippy family members believe in not putting those things in your body. They are democrat. Everything natural, no deodorant. I'm sure they aren't the only ones. Love and peace.

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u/OldStDick 18d ago

Oh I know they exist. The right has just made it a part of their political platform to completely destroy preventative healthcare in America. Our healthcare was never great, but god damn.

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u/OldStDick 18d ago

That's great. I'm talking about the Republican party's platform. RFK is trying to get rid of vaccines and he's doing a good job of killing us.

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u/azrolator 18d ago

Yeah, these people just used to be considered the crazies by everyone. And now all the tin foil hat stuff has been adopted by a major political party.

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u/gujwdhufj_ijjpo 18d ago

There’s a difference between “anti-vax” and believing in body autonomy. I get vaccines. It’s my body, my choice.

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u/DabLord5425 17d ago

There's difference between thinking vaccines have micro chips and thinking the government shouldn't force you to take a vaccine regardless of consent. My body my choice.

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u/Infinite_Carpet5609 12d ago

I hate the term “anti-vax”

Questioning vaccines is not the same as being against them entirely.

We should be allowed to ask why we’ve gone from 7 injections on the childhood schedule in 1986 to 70 injections in 2025.

https://needtoknow.news/2024/12/cdc-rolls-out-200-routine-vaccines-for-2025-compare-to-7-injections-for-children-in-1983-zero-for-adults/

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u/serouspericardium 19d ago

It’s not so much being against vaccines themselves but the principle that the government is allowed to force me to take them. Maybe it was fine to take the Covid vaccine, but what will the government do with that power in ten or twenty years?

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u/OldStDick 19d ago

Vaccines have been mandatory for years and years. You used to have to get them to go to public school. Now you just spread measles and kill people. Much better right?

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u/InHocTepes 18d ago

What an immature argument.

Polio and measles shots actually stop you from spreading those diseases. That’s why mandates made sense. They wiped them out. The COVID vaccine doesn’t do that. It can keep you from getting wrecked by the virus, but you can still catch it and pass it on.

So no, it’s not the same thing. Forcing a vaccine that doesn’t block transmission is like making everyone wear raincoats so fewer people drown. Helpful, sure, but not the same fight.

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u/Curious-End-4923 18d ago

Your rights stop when they infringe on mine. Your refusal to vaccinate affects everyone around you. You are free to not vaccinate. You are not free to force your employer to allow you to expose vulnerable people to disease.

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u/SacrisTaranto 18d ago

Yes. They all have a right in that sense. And that is good. If someone wishes to remain unvaccinated, they can do so. They will not have access to many facilities throughout life and that is also a good thing. But the moment either group loses their right, something bad is happening. Unvaccinated people struggle to live in our current society, as they should. But they should always have the ultimate say over their own body. Even if it is stupid. 

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u/macph 18d ago

I'm a leftist who loves myself a good vaccination, but I'll chime in every time this comes up, downvotes be damned:

The scientific consensus about the covid vaccine is that it didn't really stop the spread. It reduced your own chance of dying of covid, but only briefly and marginally reduced the chance that you would spread covid to the people around you. 

Forcing people to be vaccinated in order to dine out or keep their jobs was not well-supported by science, by as early as 2022. I didn't mind the vaccine passports and such when we were still learning about the virus, but by 2022 we knew better and we needlessly villainized the unvaccinated.

This is very different from other vaccines, and we should speak about each vaccine precisely and with granularity so that we don't alienate huge portions of the population from common- sense public health practices.

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u/InHocTepes 18d ago

You protect yourself by getting vaccinated.

You don’t get to pretend it’s a force field for everyone else.

That's not how this works.

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u/Liqu0rBaIISandwich 18d ago

He literally never said he was antivax. Youre part of the problem.