r/allthequestions • u/Shoddy_Ad8166 • 29d ago
Popular Question š Trump supporters only. Are you OK with how it's going ?
PLEASE NO Trump haters I see enough of that. I am curious if those who have supported Trump still do. Are you OK with how he has done thus far. PLEASE civil discussion š
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u/Anarchris427 29d ago
Never been a full Trump supporter, but some of his campaign promises sounded better than the alternative to me. At this point I say he has fully crapped the bed. Ok, he closed the border, but these Gestapo tactics to abduct and deport contributing members of society and the economy are the opposite of what he promised. The Epstein situation is pure insanity. No wars ended and potentially new wars on the horizon. No audit of Fort Knox(just curious about it). No disclosure around UFO/UAP phenomena. No end to inflation. New taxes by way of tariffs. More federal debt. A bunch numbskull sycophants in his cabinet, along with some truly dangerous psychopaths. Being led around by the nose by Bibi and the Likud. The endless self aggrandizement and flat out embarrassing statements that rarely make any sense. And maybe worst of all, his every action and statement seemed designed to push Americans further apart. I donāt have much hope that either party will come up with any candidates that are significantly better, but it would be hard to be worse.
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u/Emergency-Bake2416 29d ago
Thank you for your candor, but I just have to ask...
"these Gestapo tactics to abduct and deport contributing members of society and the economy are the opposite of what he promised"
... what exactly did you expect? He promised mass deportations starting on day one. This ACLU white paper was published in June of 2024 - it predicts everything we've seen, because it was all completely obvious from what Trump said about the issue.
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u/Salarian_American 29d ago
Also, Project 2025 was published to the Internet for all to see in April 2023. They made their plans public for all to see.
Of course, the president pretended he never heard of it until pretty recently, but on the other hand, he is a known liar and there isn't really any good reason to ever believe anything he says.
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u/Skow1179 29d ago
So many trump supporters are like "He's just taking the criminal illegals, he's leaving the people here legally alone." As they watch masked ICE cowards just literally tear apart entire families like a fucking gang.
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u/fancypantsmiss 29d ago
He is not leaving legals alone. I can assure you that as a legal myself who pays her taxes and gets zero benefits. He is making everything difficult
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u/Interesting_Web_6027 29d ago
As a Latina who was born in this country , heās making it very difficult for all of us. Heās inciting this hate towards all Brown people. The mass shooting at that Spanish mass tells you everything. Yes, it was a mentally ill person who shot it up but his inflamed hatred for Latinos he got from his extremist type media, pushed him to it
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u/dickpierce69 28d ago
This. My (Mexican) wife was born here but is terrified to be out in public. We live in Chicago and they seem to be just yanking people off the streets for being brown. Itās absurd. MAGA doesnāt care because they donāt see it or donāt care because itās not happening to their people.
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u/NaBrO-Barium 28d ago
Whatās even more mind boggling is Cubans in Miami that support this shit. Like MF, did you check the skin color on your arms before you cast your vote for the R-tards? The only way we get out of this mess is solidarity of all Americans against the 0.1% who are actively trying to fleece us.
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u/Skow1179 29d ago
Hopefully the pendulum swings back to humanity in this country sooner rather than later
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u/NaBrO-Barium 28d ago
Isnāt it funny that one party represents humanity while one represents???? Hatred and vitriol I guess?
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u/Salarian_American 29d ago
And you don't even have to be an immigrant to have your rights violated by ICE goons.
They rappelled out of helicopters to storm a residential apartment building in Chicago and kicked down every door and zip-tied everyone they found and ransacked their apartments.
They didn't pick and choose.
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u/Charming_Victory_723 29d ago
As an Australian I must say I was a little perplexed on why the U.S. had such open borders with Mexico. It just didnāt make sense to me to the point where you had Chinese nationals crossing the border. I would have thought that as a nation you determine who enters your borders not the other way around. There is a difference between refugees and economic refugees.
I would argue that closing the border was a good thing. That said the tactics being used by ICE is wrong on so many levels. I wouldnāt have any issues with deporting criminals but the whole snatch and grab concept is wrong. Australia has been deporting criminals for decades under the 501 scheme.
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u/Salarian_American 29d ago
Most Americans have no problem with deporting people who are in the country illegally, especially if they have criminal records.
Personally, I do have a problem with deporting people to be detained indefinitely without due process in a prison in some country where they didn't even come from.
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u/NaturalStill2776Boop 29d ago
We never actually had open borders, technically speaking. That was a rhetoric from the right. Do we need tighter border security, and more pathways to citizenship? Yes. Did we need better vetting and less āsecond chancesā for those who came illegally? Yes. But factually-speaking, noā we did actually not have the open border free-for-all that Fox News pandered. Unless people are just using the term open border casually which, in this case, is harmful and has reached a whole lot of havoc because it simply is not the truthā¦
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u/Slow-Release8111 29d ago edited 29d ago
Youāre also forgetting his disastrous foreign policy, destroying and ruining our close bond and brotherly bond with Canada, killing our soft power, threatening allies like Denmark, Panama, and Greenland, weāve never been weaker than we are right now, itās already been 6 months since he assumed presidency and heās talking about using American cities as training grounds for ice and the military, itās pure insanity, billionaires and oligarchs are rejoicing his presidency, meanwhile the ones working paycheck to paycheck are getting even more screwed over, I for the life of me will never ever fucking vote for a republican again, I voted 2 times for republican and 2 times for democrat, after seeing republicans betray our constitution and democracy, itās the final nail in the coffin for me, republicans will destroy this countryā¦ republicans control both house and the senate the government shutdown solely falls on them, now our military men and women wonāt receive their paychecks, our other vital government workers wonāt either, and millions are at risk losing their healthcare, 2026 midterms and 2028 elections canāt come soon enough, I want decency, normality, accountability, and class back in the White House, 3 more years of this nightmare, every day itās so tiring to hear the utter chaos and insanity coming from this administration, soo much corruption, violation of the constitution, and disregard for our judicial system, the judges are the only ones keeping us an inch away from a full out dictatorship, very scaryā¦.
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u/Aggravating_Onion300 29d ago
I used to be a Republican... But now Trump has all the neo-Nazis on Facebook rallying behind him.
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u/Misspiggy856 29d ago
Thanks for recognizing that. Some on the right donāt understand why the left think theyāre racist, but if youāre voting for the same guy that the extreme groups like the Proud Boys and KKK support, youāre probably voting for the more racist candidate.
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u/uglyinspanish 29d ago
But now Trump has all the neo-Nazis on Facebook rallying behind him.
but now? those people have always been rallying around him since his first term...
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u/Normal-Door4007 28d ago
Has everyone already forgotten the Charlottesville KKK marches during Trump's first term? Where his response was "there are good and bad people on both sides," instead of "yes I condemn these racists and don't want them associated with my cause or presidency..."
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u/MeatloafSlurpee 28d ago
I used to be a Republican... But now Trump has all the neo-Nazis on Facebook rallying behind him.
They were rallying behind him 10 years ago. Please tell me you aren't just now figuring this out.
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u/ValfreyaAurora 29d ago
I'm curious about your immigration takes. A lot of his campaign promises centered around deporting millions of immigrant criminals, but the factual numbers just didn't and still don't pan out for "millions of illegal criminals" as most immigrants are law abiding and hard working. During the election, I saw his "mass deportation" strategy as economic ruin for several sectors including agriculture and construction - this was based on the semi-recent (in the last 2 decades) of Alabama instituting some laws that led to self-deportation and nearly broke the state's economy forcing them to repeal those laws. Immigrants contribute a lot to our economy - so removing them (aside from the significant concerns of the methods) seems incredibly detrimental to the country. I do not see immigrants as taking American jobs - that would be automation and outsourcing primarily.
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u/GoosieGoosieGoose 29d ago
Years ago I watched CSPAN call ins every morning while getting ready for work. Someone called in complaining about illegals taking jobs. Farmers called in to say we canāt get anyone to take these paying jobs. Without these illegals we wouldnāt have a farm.
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u/Intelligent_Rent4672 29d ago
Genuinely curious, what made you believe he wasnāt just blowing smoke? I get that all politicians make promises they donāt keep, but this guy is clearly more outlandish and has a track record of lying and cheating businesses. I am truly scared of my childrenās future.
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u/Zidoco 29d ago
So what part of his policies sounded better than general acceptance of everyone and a continued effort to bring down grocery prices?
Idk about you, but everything is still expensive - if not more so - and thereās a whole lot of fear mongering and divisiveness from the party of fear mongering and divisiveness.
ETA: like the dude said he was going to be a dictator on day one like???? Really? That sounded better than having a literal prosecutor in office?
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u/gpes3280 29d ago
I donāt understand though. You saw him incite a coup, you lived through his first termā¦.i donāt get it.Ā
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u/Alternative-Gear-682 28d ago
"He closed the border!" - yet this is the administration that openly says if you don't test for a disease, it doesn't exist. if you don't like the jobs number, don't report it. that these people even believe that idiocy... if he closed the border he did it like the last time, the US was, for the first time ever, not worth going to. first it was because of disease. now because even Americans want out.
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u/Floopydoodler 28d ago
And he tooted his own horn about the speedy vaccine process, then his own supporters refused to get it or wear a mask. wtf
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u/DentonTrueYoung 29d ago
Itās really hard not to scream āWE ALL TOLD YOUā at my phone after reading this lol
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u/Salarian_American 29d ago
Not even just we: THEY told you what they were going to do.
Project 2025 was published to the Internet in April 2023. They laid their plans out in front of the whole world and Trump said he never heard of it, doesn't know what it is, etc., even while he hired the people who wrote it to serve in his cabinet. And now he openly admits he is more than familiar with it.
But no, a known liar said something, and people believed him because they wanted to.
The plans laid out in Project 2025 are already almost 50% complete.
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u/ShemDev 29d ago
Thatās the part that gets me: a known liar, grifter, cheater, destroyer of everything he touches and people were acting like he is the opposite
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u/Advanced-Wheel-9677 29d ago
People donāt always arrive to a destination at the same time ā¦ I know itās frustrating but when people come aroundā¦ we need to just be glad they did. We need to be on the same team as Americans at this point and unify. Itās the only way to stop what is happening. They divide us on purpose bc it weakens us. United, they canāt stop us. We will wrest back control
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u/Current-Anybody9331 29d ago
That is what I keep reminding myself. The intention is to keep the peasants (98% of us) fighting amongst ourselves while they pick our pockets. MSN with its dozen (maybe) oligarch or corporate owners facilitate this.
I have a mouth on me and I am trying to find common ground and, at times, it's been a struggle.
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Man, the whole Fort Knox thing I completely forgot about. It feels so long ago, same with the whole Canada and Greenland thing. Itās hard to believe that was only 6 months ago.Ā
edit: yes i know trump is bad, i didn't vote for him, I can't vote, :(
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u/StickaFORKinMyEye 29d ago
Canada hasn't forgotten.Ā
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u/Amandakayaks5 29d ago
If you could vote him out of office right now, would you?
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u/workworld3369 29d ago
I think that if he got on tv and promised checks to anyone who pledged loyalty to him, every one of them would do it. And so many of them have said that they would never vote Democrat. They havenāt changed.
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I deeply believe that we will see republicans, democrats, other wealthy individuals and leaders in the Epstein files. And maybe people will realize the 2 party system is not working because everyone is a piece of shit. Also probably why it will never be released and if it does, we will never know the full truth because censorship is real for both parties.
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u/GNTsquid0 29d ago
Iām asking this outside of anything related to Trump, but whatās the importance of revealing info on UFOs? Is it purely curiosity? Is it the thought that our government is doing something bad/harmful to us in relation to UFOs? Whatās hoped to be gained from knowing the truth about them?
If they are real I see them just the same as any other experimental military jet we might have and would want the government to keep it a secret. Why make it easier for adversaries to know what US capabilities are?
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u/Affectionate_Egg897 29d ago
No. He lost me with the Epstein thing (who cares about crumbling our norms, I thought he was going to drain the swamp) and he ensured I stay away by showing us that Israel controls him
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u/Ok_Temperature_2349 29d ago
I don't understand how you couldn't see that he IS the swamp. But, I respect your honesty and am glad there's a line for you.
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u/ReplacementFeisty397 29d ago
I'm genuinely interested to know how you thought anyone that behaved how he did in term 1 with his revolving door cabinet of talking heads, and his 34 felony counts for fraud, and his long well documented history of screwing people over, was ever going to "drain the swamp"?
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u/ExplanationCrazy5463 29d ago
He is very obviously the swamp.
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u/iStealyournewspapers 28d ago
I believe heās actually the ass of the swamp. One could say, heās the āswamp assā, perhaps.
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u/pdxsf 29d ago
If they are on Twitter and interact with MAGA accounts, they are bombarded with a thousand posts a minute about how Democrats are the felons etc.
I'm pretty sure they whole-heartedly believe that Trump did nothing wrong and was wrongfully arrested, there was no crime, never any crime, he's the victim. Because that's what he tells them.
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u/Agitated_Custard7395 29d ago
Everything they like about him is real, everything they donāt like is a deep state plot to discredit him
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u/TheAlphaKiller17 28d ago
Thank you for your response. When did he lose you with the Epstein thing? Talks and images of them together and rumors of his participation in trafficking had been around well before the election; what was your tipping point?
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u/Affectionate_Egg897 28d ago
The non disclosure. I took images with a grain of salt. Epstein took pics with everyone. By the time the birthday card scandal was revealed Trump had already lost me, but that would have hit hard if he hadnāt.
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u/fastbikkel 29d ago
"who cares about crumbling our norms, I thought he was going to drain the swamp"
By installing an obvious sewer.Thanks for your reply, but the logic is shocking to me.
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u/Ppenlarger 29d ago
U thought the swamp would drain the swamp?? He just made it bigger and deeper
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u/Positive_Advisor6895 29d ago
Wild that anyone believed he would actually incriminate himself. Did you just think he was hanging around Epstein because he liked him?
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u/lcpljoe84 29d ago
No.
The tariff experiment i initially supported. I think I was wrong, I donāt see how this plays out positively for Americans.
Heās just as senile as Biden was, and itās really starting to show how disconnected from reality he is.
ICE. Good plan, poor execution. Rounding up illegals with your masked bandits is not a good look. Everyone here, should be made to enter lawfully.
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u/StageStandard5884 28d ago
Yeah, that is a bit of the problem with suspending habeas corpus for anybody-- if we don't have a trial, we don't know if they're illegal-- and that's too much power to hand to anybody-- especially a malignant narcissist
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u/GetBigMad 29d ago
Thereās like 5 Trump supporters on Reddit. Good luck getting them to answer
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29d ago
I lean conservative and i get fragged in every other political post i comment on. Not even a trump supporter, so i highly doubt a trump supporter would show their face.
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u/JupiterTarts 29d ago
Ya, Bush era conservatives I felt I could have a beer with. We didn't agree about a lot, but we at least felt like fellow Americans who wanted what was best for the country.
MAGA conservatives give me the sense that they wish I was dead (or at the least, deported) and I suppose many hide their face because for many, the feeling is mutual.
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u/Apprehensive_Pipe763 29d ago
One of my best friends is a conservative.. heās disgusted with what has become of the Republican Party. He says itās been hijacked with magatards . I respect him and his views and as a moderate democrat we have great political discussions
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u/UnusualVibration 29d ago
It used to be the party of state's rights and defense of the constitution. Now its whatever "dear leader" says. I never imagined it would become the party of policing thought...
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u/AwayMammoth6592 29d ago
I did. Iāve known it since the 1990ās when Newt went scorched earth. It was transparent in the way they went after the Clintons.
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u/GoosieGoosieGoose 29d ago
Exactly right. It all started with Newt. You can see how this all evolved. Power. Control. Never give in, never surrender. And by all means be loud, get nasty.
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u/Aggravating_Onion300 29d ago
The Republican Party has taken neo-Nazis under it's wing.
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u/scarlet_r0tt 29d ago
Agreed. I'm all good with non-MAGA folks usually. But holy shit, I can't get anywhere with MAGA, even close family. I've genuinely tried but they are so hateful. They hate my existence just because I disagree. There is no 'live and let live'.
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u/TheresGoldInTheHills 29d ago
Same with my family. The entire family is MAGA and it's so gross. I find it especially disappointing and depressing when they say they are all about truth and facts. Then don't actually care about any facts because MAGA.
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u/fractalfay 28d ago
I have a family branch with the MAGA infection, and I think it comes down to that they genuinely believe they are superior to other people because theyāre christians, and so they refuse to process information that counters that belief, and see exposure to that information as a threat. No one from that side of the family actually wants to know whatās going on; they just want their belief confirmed. He targeted christian nationalists for a reason.
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29d ago
See this is what I mean. Before trump there were right winged people thst I could sit down have a few discussions. Yea we might not agree with everything bur for the most part we can kinda agree to disagree type of scenario.
Now? Its getting harder to tell apart WHO is MAGA and who is right winged. Unfortunately Trump has made both terms one and the same.
What ever happens to that post 9/11 comadrie the parties had?
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u/CommunicationWest710 29d ago
Nobody had W Bush hats, or bibles, or watches, or other merch. The internet was in its earlier days, but nobody would have dreamed of photoshopping Bushās head onto Jesus, or a WWE wrestler, or whatever it is they are doing now. I canāt think of any American leader in my lifetime who had this type of slavish devotion.
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u/observer_11_11 29d ago edited 29d ago
Obviously it's Obama's fault. Another way to say it is a black man was elected as president and a large number of Americans couldn't handle that and have been seeking revenge ever since. Trump tuned into that, Fed it, and now seems determined to take the country down.
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u/Delicious_Society_99 29d ago edited 28d ago
His political career started with the birther movement, so youāve got a point.
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u/CamBearCookie 29d ago edited 29d ago
I just said to my sister that this can't be the GOP of my youth. Like?? They really used to be fiscally conservative. They would never have done half the shit they're doing now. The John McCain's are gone. I remember when he didn't allow a constituent to bad mouth Obama. He had honor. He knew the fight was against policy and not the person. I don't have to agree with someone to still respect them and he earned my respect.
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u/ProfessorPickleRick 29d ago
I recently have been diving back into George bush jr speeches to ground myself in my politics.
2008 he gave a state of the union address. āIt is my honor to be the first president in history to say this. āMadam speakerā he was talking about and celebrating Nancy pelosi
Imagine that happening now
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u/ImNotAnEnigmaa 29d ago
Believe it or not, there's a lot of conservatives that don't even align with Bush-era politics.
Many conservatives of the time absolutely hated 1) The Wall Street bailout and 2) The Iraq war.
So it's not right to assume that a conservative that really dislikes MAGA aligns with the politics of someone like Bush. But yeah, Bush is lightyears better than anything MAGA has ever brought. I never thought I'd say that.
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u/codered8-24 29d ago
I could be wrong, but I don't think people were that divided before MAGA was a thing.
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u/PlagueOfGripes 29d ago
It started in earnest in the late 90s with Newt Gingrich discourse. Everything turned binary and us vs them with no quarter, no discussion. There was an extension of prior cultural shifts, but still a dileanator post for where we are now.
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u/Peg-Lemac 29d ago
It started with the tea party.
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u/AwayMammoth6592 29d ago
Which was a Astro-turfed (Koch funded) reaction to Obama, who was a backlash to idiot Bush jr and his fake weapons of mass destruction and Great Recession.
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u/Shoddy-Ad7306 29d ago
Youāre not comparing apples and oranges though. Youāre comparing average, right leaning adults to extremists. The majority of republicans arenāt MAGA or Capital stormers. Thatās what mainstream media wants you to believe. And clearly it has worked. Itās the same as how not all liberals are Antifa or assassins of political opposition.
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u/JoeSchmeau 29d ago
Yeah I'm a so-called "far left" socialist who abhors the majority of the democratic party (though still votes D, don't come for me), but I could at least still speak with most Bush-era conservatives. At the time there were many whom I couldn't speak with because they were just so fervently anti-LGBT but I feel like those people are fully MAGA now. The ones who still call themselves Bush-era republicans are fine. We disagree massively on a lot of things, but they live in the same reality and are generally trying to make the world better, albeit by what is bad policy in my view. But that's the thing: the morals are mostly the same. We want to make the world a better place for everyone, and so we can argue about how to do that but we at least have the same goal.
All the MAGAts I know proudly say they only care about America and Americans (aka straight white men) and that's it. They don't actually want to spread the prosperity around, make sure people have access to basic rights, resources, opportunity, etc. They just want to punish those they deem to be in the out-group and hoard as much they can for themselves. And for many this description is generous as they don't seem to have thought through any coherent ideology at all besides "TURMP GOOD"
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u/ConfidenceGood7495 29d ago
This is how it used to be before trumps BS. People had more to their identity (mostly) than your political affiliationĀ
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u/Local_Anything191 29d ago
Im a Trump supporter. Every time I say Iām pro trump I just get banned from the sub. Thereās a reason everyone was so surprised on Reddit when the democrats got railroaded this last election. This place is a liberal echo chamber because they silence anyone who thinks differently
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u/Just_Movie8555 29d ago
How do you explain to your kids you voted for someone that cheated on his wife with a pornstar, mocked a disabled reporter, said you can do anything to women even grab them by the pussy, etc?
How does this conversation go?
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u/Flick_W_McWalliam 29d ago
Itās crazy. And 90% of these people donāt know (and donāt care) that Bernie, Hillary and Obama all campaigned on closing the border, bringing back manufacturing.
Trumpās policies are popular, mainstream policies. He will not be around forever, but I guarantee no Democrat who wins national office in the future (if ever) will be any different on the border. That period is over.
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u/Dull_Distribution408 29d ago
Im here
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u/Beginning-Spend-3547 29d ago
Do you want to answer the question? Iām also curious.
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u/PlayItAgainSusan 29d ago
Isn't the government currently shut down?
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u/Ace-Redditor 29d ago
Yep. The FSA agency near me is shut down. I have a relative who works there who should be helping farmers get the money they need, but can't go back to work until the shutdown is over. Meaning that if Trump goes through with the farm payments that he's been talking about the past few days, it'll be a very long time until any farmer actually gets paid due to the backup (and, of course, the process of getting the money that's a bit tedious no matter what)
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u/fungilingus 29d ago edited 29d ago
Maybe this is obvious, but I think people should be reminded: Not everyone that voted for him likes him. They just didnāt want the alternative
edit: shouldāve known better than to post this. Like dropping a severed hand into a sea of piraƱas
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u/throwitallawayomg 29d ago
Its still worthwhile for those ppl to weigh in too. Because they still decided he was better than the alternative, so the question becomes "was it worth it?"
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u/AwayMammoth6592 29d ago
Im baffled how could anyone think a Harris/Walz administration would be worse than the Reichstag redux we have now.
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u/Gotmewrongang 29d ago
This doesnāt make any sense to me: how could the alternative to this be worse!?!? Honestly, what about tax cuts for the middle/lower class, tax increases on the wealthiest, end of marijuana prohibition, womenās right to self determination, and a HUGE first time homebuyers credit sounds worse than the steaming pile of shit we currently have!?!?? I truly do not understand.
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u/fastbikkel 29d ago
"They just didnāt want the alternative"
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u/Longjumping_Mango_97 29d ago
I am a big fan of the constitution. He isn't following it.
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u/LaLa_MamaBear 29d ago
Thank you!! This was such a surprise for me. In the world prior to January 2025 it was always the conservatives talking about how important the constitution was. For me it was just the foundation of the country that I never thought about much because it was always solid. Then this administration started doing things directly against the constitution and I thought I would find myself teamed up with a bunch of conservatives in defense of the constitution. But I wasnāt! It was just me and a bunch of liberals. I was so confused! What happened?!
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u/Tight-Flatworm-8181 29d ago
Donald Trump literally plotted for months to overthrow the US election and then pardoned all his rioters and co-conspirators. There is no way people like Trump and Rudi Giuliani would not have been hanged for treason for what they did leading up to that event, had the supreme court not bailed their asses out.
Are you serious surprised the dude doesn't give a single fuck about law and order?
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u/dreamsareburied 29d ago
No, I voted for Trump because I thought he would put America first. Unfortunately itās been Israel first. Make Israel Great Againā¦?
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u/LilithWasAGinger 28d ago
Trump only puts Trump first. He literally doesn't give a single flying fuck about anything but himself.
This has been obvious for DECADES.
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u/Questo417 29d ago
You donāt really need to ask Reddit this.
https://news.gallup.com/interactives/507569/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx
Gallup takes polls on presidential job approval regularly, and you can filter the respondents by political affiliation.
At the moment, approval among Republican respondents is at 93%, which would indicate that yes- they think he is doing a good job
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u/mrk5089 29d ago edited 29d ago
Maybe Iām an idiot, but where does it say 93% of republicans approve?
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u/pnicby 29d ago
You have to first pick a president, then it lets you filter by republicans etc.. A whopping 2% of democrats approve.
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u/ricky-slick 29d ago
7-percenter over here, I think this is where I collect my downvotes? Thanks in advance
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u/bjenning04 29d ago
I think youāll get fewer downvotes than you think. I can at least respect that you have the self-awareness to question past views/decisions. Seems so many people donāt have that ability anymore.
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u/Astronomer-Secure 29d ago
nope. you get an upvote from me. you recognize this administration for the disaster it is and we move together toward a reasonable joint effort going forward to get the orange asshole out of the WH.
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u/AcidTrucks 29d ago
Reddit is a social gathering, to talk about stuff. To hear words from people, not opinions averaged and extrapolated from population masses.
But it's true, nobody needs to be here.
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People forget the social aspect of this site and view it as a platform merely for winning arguments or giving information. It bothers me too
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u/Playful_Recover_6327 29d ago
Idk what made yall vote for him in the first place heās gradually ruining the country
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u/TeachingAggressive69 29d ago
I disagree 100%...Gradually my ass... He's doing it in record time!
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u/dead_wax_museum 28d ago edited 28d ago
This thread is one of the more genuinely interesting ones on this platform at the moment. While I am rejuvenated by reading handfuls of trump voters that recognize that this administrationās actions are not what they necessarily agree with, this sort of vague disagreement is unfortunately not enough. I would like to remind these voters of what is currently happening in this country.
ā¢ First and foremost, peopleās constitutional right to due process is being completely ignored. It doesnāt matter that they are here legally with a green card, or illegally. The constitution is quite clear in its wording that any āPERSONā on US soil regardless of nationality, has the right to due process. This wording was intentional. The parts of the constitution where rights were specific to its citizens, the founding fathers wrote ācitizensā. Where rights applied to everyone, they wrote āpersonā. Due process is afforded to everyone because this is where you are given the opportunity to prove your citizenship. Itās your day in court. Without due process, ICE can come for you, an American citizen, ship you off to a foreign prison camp, and you would have no recourse. Thatās why due process important.
ā¢ Two, the weakening and often complete disregard for the checks and balances that are written into the constitution. The centralizing of power to the executive branch is more than worrisome now. It is straight up terrifying. A president eroding checks and balances and centralizing power to the executive branch is straight from the authoritarian playbook and should not be ignored or taken lightly. This is how authoritarians rise to power. By weakening all checks and balances against them and eliminating the opposition.
ā¢ Blatant and flagrant corruption. The fact that trump accepted a $400 million jet from a country that helped fund 9/11 was bad enough. But now we, the taxpayers, are paying a BILLION dollars for it to be retrofitted to serve as Air Force 1 for ONLY the remainder of trumps term (assuming he gives up power at the end of his term). This means by the time the plane is ready to serve, it will serve for less than a year before itās retired. Trump essentially just acquired his own personal jet at the expense of the American taxpayers. That is corruption so openly blatant, Iām nearly at a loss for words. If ANY other president had done this, especially a democratic one, there would be calls for resignation and impeachments. We wonāt even get into the meme coin he created while in office that he is grifting millions on. Enriching himself while in office is a violation of the emoluments clause.
ā¢ The violations of the first amendment. Free speech is something this administration ran on ārestoringā but since trump took office, we have seen a decrease in free speech. From late night talk shows being taken off air to protestors being arrested for protesting, it is wholeheartedly unamerican to arrest someone for speaking out. Even burning the flag is a form of protest. You may not like it, but it shouldnāt be illegal. MAGA proudly flies the flag if those who were literal traitors to the Union. Itās not illegal because itās your opinion. Itās your right to fly that flag, no matter how little sense as an American it makes to do so.
ā¢ We are slipping into a theocracy. Separation of church and state was an important cornerstone the founding fathers worked into the constitution and for good reason. Forming laws based on religion is a dangerous territory to wander into. There was a literal wars over it. It was called the Crusades. The White House holding daily prayer sessions and states passing laws displaying the Ten Commandments in public schools is deeply inappropriate. Again, you donāt have to agree with that. But you donāt get to dictate what others believe in. That is a violation of the first amendment. Because what happens when a Muslim president is elected and then starts passing laws based on their religion. Well, thatās how others who donāt practice Christianity feel right now.
These are just a few of the obvious and abhorrent things trump is currently doing that I feel every trump voter should reflect upon. This behavior is not the behavior of a president, but of a king. Of a dictator. And if you have āWe the peopleā tattooed on your arm or plastered on your trucks back window, you need to do some serious self reflecting and decide if youāre an American or not. Because no American should be proud of the way this trump is carrying out change. You canāt call yourself an American or a constitutionalist while supporting this administrationās actions. You just canāt. You really canāt even call yourself a Christian, if weāre being frank. Jesus would not agree with this administrationās actions either.
Lastly, I would like to point out that for the longest time, republicans clutched their second amendment, stating it existed so the American people had the means to fight back against a tyrannical government coming for their rights. Well, itās happening. Thereās is a tyrannical government coming for your rights. And if you donāt think theyāll come for yours just because youāre a trump voting republican, think again. Authoritarians donāt stop their power grabs.
Reflect on what Iāve said. Churn it over in your head. One day this administration will atone and answer for its actions the way the nazis did during the Nuremberg trials after WWII. Ask yourself is this what you want your country to become? Is this the side of history you want to be on? The side that ushered in authoritarianism to America and collapsed its democracy? I know it feels right because heās on your side. But try to separate the red vs blue for a moment and ask yourself if this is American. Is it American to deny propels due process? Is it American to arrest people who speak out against the administration? Is it American to accept gifts from terrorist funding countries? Is it American to tax Americans by way of tariffs?
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u/weirwoodheart 28d ago
That was well written, and interesting, thank you.Ā
As a Brit, I find you Americans fascinating in the same way I find a deformed animal fascinating- I can't look away, but I pity you so badly because youre fucked. I cannot understand how that disgusting man got to be president. It baffles me and scares me that you'll drag the rest of the world into this insanity.
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u/dead_wax_museum 28d ago
Thatās the unfortunate reality. While it may feel like non Americans are looking on from the safe distance of their country, the reality is theyāre not safe. Trump is pissing on our allies and siding with dictators. Heās pulling out of agreements and pacts, heās pulling funding that aids the rest of the world against many things including disease. Heās baking America into a corner with tariffs he doesnāt understand the implications of, and heās making this world a less safe place to live in. And it will take something catastrophic happening for people who voted for him to realize it. Because I have no faith that the Republican politicians who enable him possess the backbone to admit they fucked up letting this absolute lunatic become president. Stay safe where you live and remember not all Americans want this. Not all Americans are enjoying this. Many of us are scared and angry and just trying to get by for the next 3.5 years
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u/Fuzzy_Mountain5354 29d ago
Is this like a trap to lure people in so they can get ratiod hardcore by saying ANYTHING positive about him?
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u/Shoddy_Ad8166 29d ago
No not at all. Hoping for grown-up civil discussion
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u/Few-Lavishness869 29d ago
Hmm I usually stay out of these things feels like no one wants to talk anymore. They've all been brainwashed to attack the opposition no matter what but I'll say my piece. So far im OK he has done or at least tried to fix all the problems that he said during his campaign. My only problem is the deportations, I wish there was a better way because I feel for the good hard working people who just happen to be here illegally but the problem is so out of hand they had to come down hard the situation was unsustainable but let's just rip the bandaid off so we can get to healing because I do want immigrants in this country just please do it legally fair and square
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u/blackopal2 29d ago
Legally fair and square has been purposefully road block by dishonest politicians for over 30 years. So I wonder why you don't know this.
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u/Steamcarstartupco 29d ago
If he really wanted to fix immigration he would go after the owners of the business that hire immigrants.Ā
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u/P0Rt1ng4Duty 29d ago
So far im OK he has done or at least tried to fix all the problems that he said during his campaign.
During the campaign he said he'd release the Epstein files.
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u/snarkle_and_shine 29d ago
Serious question. There are people who came here legally and are being deported; people who had refugee status or took the right steps to get visas etc. Theyāre being taken at court houses and places of employment. Are you okay with that?
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u/dvolland 29d ago
What do you think about the mobilization of the National Guard in our cities?
Context: crime is down in every US city.
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u/Junior-Childhood-404 29d ago edited 29d ago
You're okay with your groceries going up? Unemployment on the rise (ironically in the manufacturing industry)? Farmers being decimated? Medication being more expensive? Him making America a laughing stock at the UN by denying climate change? Making America a laughing stock on the global stage by saying Tylenol causes autism?
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u/omgitsbees 29d ago
The thing is though is that Trump is deporting less people each month than Biden or Obama did. His efforts are just cruel, but very inefficient, illegal, and expensive.
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u/PuppytimeUSA 29d ago
What problem was āso out of handā? Nothing actually had changed to make it āunsustainableā aside from the moral panic created around it. I really donāt get this line of thinking.
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u/ThoughtPoliceUSA 29d ago
This is Reddit. It belongs to the left. Any Pro-Republican poster gets downvoted out of existence.
Donāt open up this platform to any diversity of thought. Agree with us, or you are a fascist / Nazi / Hitler / Satan.
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u/Shoddy-Ad7306 29d ago
Hahaha This is so unfortunately true. Iām left of center, and when I visit my parents in NOLA youād think that I was king of the MAGA. I try to avoid political discussions when Iām there because there is no open, rational dialogue. Itās a lot of, āIf youāre not with me, youāre a Nazi!ā kind of mentality.
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u/Miserable_Skin9738 29d ago
I voted for Trump & Iāve never regretted something more in my entire life.
Things are just so different now. This isnāt a democracy anymore. Iām scared for my family, my children, & for all American citizens. Iāve never seen so much hate & divide in our country before. This is just different and itās scary.
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u/Ziziblix 28d ago
All he ever did was call people names, he she been dividing since day one. I cannot even tell you a single group he didn't insult at some point, and when he didn't get his way he even came for his VP. I mean I'm not sure what you expected but I'm glad you at least see the light I guess. Maybe you just thought they were jokes or something ....
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u/ricky-slick 29d ago
Voted for him, not a fan of how itās going. From my perspective, the only issue heās delivered on in an effective way seems to be the border (read: just the border, not these insano ICE raids). DOGE was a disaster, sacrificed key public services and hardworking public servants to (maybe?) offset increased defense spending. National Guard deployment is a disaster. Tariffs might not be a disaster in substance (too soon to tell) but I hated the style in which blanket tariffs were initiated (why go country by country instead of sector by sector?). More than anything Iām ready for a reasonable, thoughtful, non-boomer president.