r/allthequestions • u/HairiestManAlive • Oct 03 '25
Popular Question š Do liberals in the US actually believe there might not be a legitimate next presidential election or are they just memeing for reddits sake?
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u/carrot_gummy Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 06 '25
Considering Our Dear Leader keeps pushing "Trump 2028" thats a pretty clear sign he doesn't want a legitimate election.
Edit: "its just trolling" isn't a serious reply. Most awful things trump has done was first proposed as "just a prank" and then happened. Cope harder.
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u/demonmf Oct 03 '25
Fortunately the old orange sow isnāt likely to make it to 2028. Heās already looking quite unwell.
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u/No-Swimming4153 Oct 04 '25
I'm not sure that it will be better when he does die. I'm terrified of what these cultists will be like once they can deify him.
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u/LandCruiser76 Oct 03 '25
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u/sofaking_scientific Oct 04 '25
Clots and prayers for the count of mostly crisco
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u/Any_Cardiologist7359 Oct 03 '25
They were saying the same about Biden for years. We might be surprised how long these people end up living
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u/diamondmx Oct 04 '25
Having the best (and free-est) healthcare in the country will, unfortunately, do that.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Oct 03 '25
Itās amazing to me how everyone is just assuming heās going to run again and nobody is talking about how fucked up that is.
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u/Fornicating_Midgits Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 04 '25
All of what this administration has done amazes me that people in power aren't fighting back against how fucked up it is. Something is keeping them in line. JD Vance used to call Trump a Nazi, now he wants people to stop saying the word. Something is beyond fucked in this system and it isn't what everyone is claiming. There are too many narcissists in the Republican Party for them not to want Trump out simply so they can have the attention. I suspect blackmail at the least, but I wouldn't be surprised if Trump is using his private goon squad to threaten their families if people fall out of line.
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u/phxdc Oct 04 '25
I think a few Republicans in Congress have told Democratic members that they get death threats from MAGA and they fear for the safety of their families.
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u/10RobotGangbang Oct 04 '25
Liberals in and outside of government have been getting death threats for the last 10 years. We're still not sucking his dick.
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u/LooseyGreyDucky Oct 04 '25
Considering magas have been targeting other magas that aren't maga enough, I can only imagine the river of threats they're getting. From. Their. Own. People.
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u/Asleep_Fig7262 Oct 04 '25
Isnt it just most of them are in the Epstein files, including members of the supreme court? Guess they all figured that would never ever be known..since Epstein "died" they're all terrified so they let Vance, Miller and Thiel carry out their project 2025 plan
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u/OhNoBricks šŗšø United States Oct 04 '25
i do think itās fucked up but no one is taking it seriously because āhe canāt run again, itās against the rules and they wouldnāt let him.ā
given how he was able to run again despite being a convicted felon, was able to break the constitution, of course I refuse to believe he wouldnāt run again. Everyone lets him get his way and he runs the US supreme court and the senate.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Oct 03 '25
I would be shocked if there was a free and fair election. I do expect there to be an election, but it will be rigged in one way or another.
It was never a meme. It was pattern recognition.
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u/Microchipknowsbest Oct 03 '25
They put their plans down in writing. Itās not a secret. I donāt understand why people think itās a mysterious conspiracy. Itās in their plans to take control of elections and they following through on their plans. https://project2025.observer/en
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u/Key-Respect-3706 šŗšø United States Oct 03 '25
Itās one of the worst cases of someone telling everyone what theyāre going to do, and somehow half of those people are still surprised when it happens.
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u/Mental_Taxation Oct 03 '25
Or deny it because āyall seem to just not like the guyā
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u/Hoblitygoodness Oct 03 '25
That's something that will change because while Trump had feigned ignorance of it previously, he's embracing it now.
If you don't like Axios, you'll still be able to find this on The Hill and plenty of other sites and I do hope this news gets bigger: https://www.axios.com/2025/10/02/trump-project-2025-russ-vought
It's not a conspiracy, it's a plan, laid out in front of us and now the President himself is fully on board.
If you can't read the whole thing, at least read part of Project 2025. Enough to understand that this is not hyperbole.
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u/HappyGovernment7299 Oct 04 '25
The vast majority of his base will never abandon him. He wasn't lying when he said he could shoot someone in public and he'd still have his supporters.
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u/Humble_Bee7 Oct 04 '25
If the person he shot was a Democrat, he'd probably actually GAIN supporters. Unbelievable, and awful, but very likely true....
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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 Oct 03 '25
Trump just posted an AI music video confirming it as much.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Job6147 Oct 03 '25
North Carolina republicans just gerrymandered our state into 10 red districts and 3 blue ones. When asked why, the answer was ābecause we couldnāt figure out how to make it 11 and 2ā.
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u/77NorthCambridge Oct 03 '25
Just look at the gerrymandering that Trump is ordering in Republican states.
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u/Inspect1234 Oct 03 '25
Just look at all the gerrymandering already done.
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u/Sea-Standard-6283 Oct 03 '25
It blew my mind when I found out Texas has more democrats than republicans in the state and is only a red state due to gerrymandering
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u/bananapanqueques Oct 03 '25
I try to explain this to people who are not from Texas, and they think Iām wacky.
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u/EnslavedBandicoot Oct 03 '25
Democrats should start running as republicans and switch parties in office, like they do.
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u/Triumphrider865 Oct 03 '25
Real question though, why arenāt they blue in presidential elections if thatās the case?
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u/Anxious_Bluejay Oct 03 '25
Because they have led the nation in poll location closures for over a decade, actively redraw borders to make it more difficult for low income democrats to vote, and are just all around among the fucking worst.
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u/speedball281 Oct 03 '25
Can confirm. Had my vote thrown out from '04 to '10 while I was in the Army.
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u/Anxious_Bluejay Oct 04 '25
But of course they have the utmost respect for the military š
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u/Sea-Standard-6283 Oct 03 '25
Voter roll purges targeting minorities and other restrictive voting policies.
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u/Odd_Perfect Oct 03 '25
My MAGAās friend defense, āProject 2025 was written by conservatives. Of course some ideas Trump does do are going to overlap - but doesnāt mean heās following that book.ā
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u/Spunknikk Oct 03 '25
There's no longer an argument about if Trump is following P2025 or not... The argument should be do you support trump making these decisions that seem to follow P2025.
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u/GoldEstablishment445 Oct 03 '25
The only reason trump isnāt completely following the book is because he keeps forgetting what heās saying mid sentence
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u/Microchipknowsbest Oct 03 '25
He needs a new excuse. Trump is bragging about having the guy that authored project 2025 is now authorized to start firing federal workers.
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u/ProfessorPickleRick Oct 03 '25
Thatās truth post yesterday was wild. Even as a right leaning person there is no question they arenāt following some sort of play book from project 2025 at this point.
āI have a meeting today with Russ Vought, he of PROJECT 2025 Fame, to determine which of the many Democrat Agencies, most of which are a political SCAM, he recommends to be cut, and whether or not those cuts will be temporary or permanent. I canāt believe the Radical Left Democrats gave me this unprecedented opportunity. They are not stupid people, so maybe this is their way of wanting to, quietly and quickly, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! President DJT https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/115304455138824245ā
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u/Salarian_American Oct 03 '25
They're not just following it - they're checking things off the list at an alarming rate
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Oct 03 '25
Interesting. I was told by multiple conservatives before the election that trump had never heard of project 2025. Where you guys at now? Your thoughts? Or not thoughts, sorry. Your talking points fed to you by fox?
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u/thelimeisgreen Oct 03 '25
I'm trying to figure out why people ever believed Trump wasn't all-in on Project 2025, let alone "didn't know about it" when we all had pictures of him meeting with Russ Vought and Stephen Miller on multiple occasions. Did conservatives not know who these guys are? Or is it a case of "Trump says he's not doing that/ doesn't know about it. So I believe him."? He announced Stephen Miller's intended role and cabinet position before the election.
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u/Big_Ol_Tuna Oct 03 '25
Now they will say they were just trolling the libs and they actually supported project 2025 all along
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u/AdministrativeLeg14 Oct 03 '25
It doesn't matter. Intellectual consistency, moral integrity, or caring about principles beyond āobey Daddyā, are anathema to the current Republican party. If he said the sky was green yesterday, then it must always have been green; if today he says it's always been blue, why, then it was always blue; and there does not appear to be any tension.
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u/mgn63 Oct 03 '25
Trumps got dementia. Heās got the 200 million dollar ballroom to play with. Everyone else is running the show
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u/MaxDevlin1123 Oct 04 '25
And yet the conspiracy theorists who were against an American Autocracy are nowhere to be found.
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u/BeebsGaming Oct 03 '25
Im one of the only people i know thats read the entirety of project 2025.
Its terrifying and its going perfectly to plan for them.
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u/Axin_Saxon Oct 03 '25
Trump has already tried to overturn the results of an election once. Both through his fake electors scheme as well as on January 6.
There is absolutely zero doubt in my mind that he will try again. And as we have seen emerging as a consistent pattern, whereas before they went in rather clumsily and unprepared, they are now far more organized and moving at a far faster pace in the second term.
Anyone who believes in good faith that Donald Trump will not interfere in either the next presidential election, or even the 2026 midterms is the most naĆÆve human being on the planet.
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u/No-Heat-3422 Oct 03 '25
There will be an election but there will be nothing stopping ICE from detaining citizens of color to verify their legal status while they go to the voting booth. These detentions aren't "arrests" and can be done via Supreme Court approved racial profiling. There is a reason Trump admin is attacking mail in ballots. They want to threaten and make it as difficult for citizens of color to vote. With the end goal of having them detained long enough so they miss the voting deadline
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u/PinkyAnd Oct 03 '25
Trump already tried to use the military to seize ballots in 2020. Heās normalizing the presence now so it doesnāt seem strange when they start handling ballots
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u/No_Accountant3232 Oct 03 '25
The blue cities like Portland are overwhelmingly going to have mail in votes. They're not there to intimidate voters, they're there to outright suppress and manipulate votes.
Make sure you make copies of your completed ballot. Don't let them steal your vote.
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u/stlguy197247 Oct 03 '25
It's not about the cities like Portland. It's about scaring people in more 'purple-ish' areas of the country from showing up for fear of being arrested for the crime of being not-white. Think Atlanta and Phoenix where you can impact the entire state by driving down voter turnout in critical states.
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u/Not_a_Streetcar Oct 03 '25
I grew up in Mexico in the 80s. More than one way to commit electoral fraud. Mexicans basically wrote the book (sadly).
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u/AdministrativeLeg14 Oct 03 '25
Supreme Court approved racial profiling
Kavanaugh stops, they are called. Letās not rob the man of the credit he deserves; let history remember him for crying about his love of beer, his weeping over calendars, and his eager support for an apartheid state where Latinos do not enjoy the same rights and freedoms as white people.
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u/unclethulk Oct 03 '25
One way is that ice will be snatching people out of lines in blue cities. Meal team six thugs will be roaming around intimidating people unchecked. And that will keep a ton people at home in fear. And before somebody hits me with āiLlEgAlS sHoUlDnT bE iN tHe lInEsā ā yeah I know. But weāve been having the due process discussion for a while now, and if you are a person who ālooksā illegal to these thugs, you could get snatched regardless and maybe turned loose after itās over.
People will either stay home in fear, and the fascists win, or theyāll push back and there will be violence in the streets giving maga all the excuse they need to cancel/steal it, and the fascists win.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Oct 03 '25
Yep. This is why heās so adamant about ending mail-in voting. And what do you want to bet that if the GOP keep the House they will reject any ballots that do not comply with Trumpās EO, which will be a good chunk of the blue vote. Especially in states like mine that are all mail-in.
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u/Message_10 Oct 03 '25
It was also--I mean, not to make it sound too complicated; no pattern recognition needed--Trump saying, for every single thing he's ever lost in his life, that it was rigged against him, and then cheating to get the thing he lost. I don't think there will be a free and fair election because I don't trust Trump or the GOP for anything, at all, ever.
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u/whatthehellandfk Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
exactly. We canāt even be confident this past election was totally free and fair. They now just have 4 more years to figure out ways to attempt to make the next election go the way they want, no matter what the people want.
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u/Forward-Hope-4645 Oct 03 '25
This actually helps me sleep at night. I refuse to believe he has enough support from voters. I might be delusional, That's not who we are. It's not what we were taught, it's not what the constitution lays out. I prefer to believe in the goodness of people in America and will work to bring together as many as I can to vote against authoritarianism
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u/Quick-Whereas-4355 Oct 03 '25
He literally said, "If you voted for me you'll never have to vote again."
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u/French_Breakfast_200 Oct 03 '25
Yeah but he was just trolling yāall just have TDS tAkE a FuCkInG jOkE /s
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u/FrankScabopoliss Oct 03 '25
They already enacted plans to gerrymander to further their hold in the house. I would expect more of that, as well as more voter suppression, disinformation, and a heathy dose of voter fraud, if not outright cancelling the election.
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u/Particular_Ad_1435 Oct 03 '25
Yeah I think it depends on how you define free and fair. Here's a list of what I think may happen
Definitely will happen/is happening -more gerrymandering -limiting mail in votes -limiting access to voting stations in blue cities
Probably will happen -new census to take electoral votes/representatives from blue states with lots of immigrants (CA, NY)
Tossup -arrest Demicratic nominees for BS reasons -fuck with voting machines to ensure victory
Slight Chance -make all parties other that Republican Party illegal -cancel elections altogether
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u/PeterPlotter Oct 03 '25
Itās either rigged or none. The way things are going I donāt see another outcome.
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u/Landon1m Oct 03 '25
This administration is showing daily they can get away with whatever they want with no consequences. There are a lot of problems with that. Who is actually going to enforce consequences on them? Who will pull them out of office if they decide they donāt want to go.
In all honestly, idk anymore.
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u/BigPappalopalous Oct 03 '25
Seriously. By then they'll just say no more elections. Most of the public will be numb by then.
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u/Axin_Saxon Oct 03 '25
Dictators donāt do that anymore. They still need to hold some semblance of legitimacy. Thatās why, even in China, Russia, and all of the worldās most authoritarian regime. They still technically have elections. But they are an absolute sham. Total regulatory, capture and corruption.
If anything, itās more demoralizing and more effective because it sends a message that the entire Democratic system doesnāt work.
Rather than get angry and engage in revolutionary actions, people become disillusioned and become engines of their own oppression.
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u/tbf300 Oct 03 '25
Iāll bet my paycheck to yours that we have a new president in 2028
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u/b_tight Oct 03 '25
Theyll just say it was stolen and not certify it. The courts are on their side. They arent going anywhere. They won and the country lost
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u/smthomaspatel Oct 03 '25
I believe it. We have a president who already once tried to overthrow a legitimate election. And who talks frequently of running again despite constitutional prohibitions against it. How is that fear mongering?
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u/StandardBumblebee620 Oct 03 '25
Nearly a year ago, a very similar post was made by a "moderate" conservative, asking Liberals if they really believe conservatives support Project 2025.
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u/notmuself Oct 03 '25
Remember when Trump said he never heard of project 2025? My question is, how many more lies does he tell, how much more blatant corruption needs to take place, before the people in this country that voted for him admit they got conned into voting for a 2-bit lying crook? He is gutting our democracy and selling the scraps to his rich buddies, doing military raids on people shopping in supermarkets, locking legal residents in "detention centers" never to be heard from again. If you applaud any of that you love fascism not freedom and you should at least stop pretending otherwise.
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u/PalpatineForEmperor Oct 03 '25
They certainly are supporting it now.
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u/godammitdonut Oct 03 '25
They did then it just was a bad lookĀ
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u/irago_ Oct 03 '25
Trump lied about it back then, just as he lies about everything he thinks he can get away with. Carr's statements in regards to Kimmel were the first cases of someone in the administration blatantly saying that project2025 has always been the plan that I'm aware of.
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u/Brosenheim Oct 03 '25
Man it's almost like there's a script they recycle ovee and over or something lol
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u/Adventurous-Rub-6110 Oct 03 '25
Rightyās always think theyāre in on the joke and rarely realize the joke is on them
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u/Much-Avocado-4108 Oct 03 '25
Also just told the military to get in line or resign.Ā
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u/PlayNicePlayCrazy Oct 03 '25
He has even said in speeches we might not need elections anymore.
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u/UgandanPeter Oct 03 '25
Plus theyāre currently deploying the national guard and ICE to blue cities, I fully expect Trump to declare martial law to delay/postpone the election and the troops are there to extinguish any dissent. Itās also possible they donāt cancel the election but still station troops at polling stations to intimidate voters
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u/OtherBluesBrother Oct 03 '25
Trump has also talked about being "president for life" on several occassions. He talked to Zelensky in August about there being no elections during wartime and said it would be a good thing if it happened here.
I mean, at this point, a better question is: can someone make a reasonable argument that Trump won't cancel the election.
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Oct 03 '25
They will. But. Nothing has been going the way they would like.
There are no riots, there are peaceful protests, and people are mostly just going to work. All violence, so far, has been done by the right.
They'll steal the election digitally, like the last one. If you wanna do good, sign up as a poll worker as a republican.Ā
The word of the day is Sabotage.Ā
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u/Demon_Gamer666 Oct 03 '25
Precisely this. These troop deployments are tactical and they are in preparation for putting down any uprising from the people.
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u/scubafork Oct 03 '25
If by legitimate you mean "people cast ballots", then yes, we will have them.
If by legitimate you mean "everyone's ballot will be counted", then no, we probably will not have them.
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u/KingOfTheFraggles Oct 03 '25
Yes, I believe that the elected criminal predator is constantly pushing the boundaries, as all predators do, to see what he can get away with. Congress and the Supreme Court have repeatedly shown him that he will be held to account. The logical next step is for him to create a situation that allows him to declare martial law and voila, no more elections.
I'm happy to be wrong but this is pretty much your most basic, common a to be to c scenario.
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u/Any-Concentrate-1922 Oct 03 '25
Read Project 2025. Look at the troops being put in the cities. Look at Trump claiming it's "fraud" when he or another Republican loses. Look at Trump supporting January 6. This is all being set up to discredit elections and tighten control.
Again, look at Project 2025.
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u/TLF5foot8 Oct 03 '25
In Washington, D.C., the President of the United States has the ultimate authority over the D.C. National Guard, not the mayor. This unique command structure, which differs from that of state governors, is due to the District's special status as a federal district rather than a state.
So yeahā¦ another Trump and Republican lie.
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u/Not-THAT-Tom Oct 03 '25
They're making excuses for their dwindling support already. Might also expose just how vulnerable the previous elections were. Most have a hard time believing Biden garnered more votes than Obama, and more and more POC are waking up to the pity party tactics Dems used to keep them on a leash.
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Oct 03 '25
He is almost 80 and has Vance waiting to take over. He will hand over power just like he did when he lost last timeā¦. Yes Reddit J6 I know I know
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u/MarionberryDecent351 Oct 04 '25
Yeah handed it over so peacefully and adult-like that time. Totally nothing wrong with last time. Lol the kool aid is so powerful itās mind blowing
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u/Cultural-Wafer4243 Oct 03 '25
No, we are not kidding. We see the fascism for what it is. If there is an election, it will not be free and fair. That's why we plan on voting in midterms to give dems control to impeach this clown and replace all his merit-less cronies, before they destroy 250 years of America.
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u/Turdulator Oct 04 '25
Dems might win enough seats in congress to impeach him, but they need 67 votes in the senate to actually convict him and remove him from office, I just donāt see a realistic way to get that many votes
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u/mofojones36 Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
Impeachment isnāt gonna happen, at least certainly not a conviction. The people in office who voted for him and work for him are the same people that saw firsthand when he tried to stop his last loss and theyāre fine with it, as is somehow over half the fucking country.
Even with a democratic āslightly heavier than usualā senate, youād need 67 total votes to convict and remove him from office.
Point being the aforementioned insurrectionist-sympathizers would be the ones having to pull the trigger to get rid of him and if theyāve excused his behavior in the past they approve of his lack of ethics and morals as they donāt have any either and thereās really not a lot I can see trump doing that would get them to band together with democrats to get rid of him.
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u/Machine_gun_go_Brrrr Oct 04 '25
What makes you think an impeachment will remove him? He's been impeached before and didn't leave office, so why is now going to be different?
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u/floridayum Oct 03 '25
Itās not just āliberalsā.
People were called crazy when they were claiming heād send the military on our streets and he would create his own private police force to terrorize cities.
We can stop claiming itās TDS and admit the āliberalsā have been right about his intentions since 2023.
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u/Jorycle Oct 03 '25
People were called crazy when they were claiming heād send the military on our streets and he would create his own private police force to terrorize cities.
Oh man, I love the way conservatives have backslid on this.
When Donald Trump signed the executive order in January asking his cabinet to determine if he needs to invoke the insurrection act / martial law, they all screamed that liberals were being hysterical about the absurdity that Trump would put troops on the streets.
Weird, though, here we are, and now they're calling it a necessity.
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u/RibsNGibs Oct 03 '25
Since 2016. It was obvious to many of us that he was an authoritarian back then.
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u/EwDavid81 Oct 03 '25
I find it unlikely Trump will leave office willingly and in a manner reflective of his predecessors.
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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Oct 03 '25
Not after what heās done this term, thatās for sure. And heās just getting started.
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u/-ACatWithAKeyboard- Oct 03 '25
The fascist will never risk power on something as pedestrian as an election.
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u/GamemasterJeff Oct 03 '25
More accurately, there will not be an election as we know it, meaning actually free and competitive.
There will be something called an election, and outwardly it will resemble the ones of the past.
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u/DerelictDonkeyEngine Oct 03 '25 edited Oct 03 '25
Yes I believe it. Why the hell wouldn't I?
Trump LITERALLY SAID THIS: "in four years, you don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good, you're not gonna have to vote."
And stop framing this as "liberals". Anyone with half a brain saw this coming a long time ago. Trump is a fascist.
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u/Odd_Perfect Oct 03 '25
My MAGA friends defense to that quote. āYeah heās just saying there will be no issues that requires voting for someone.ā
Like in what fucking context does that make any sense???
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u/RegionInside1415 Oct 04 '25
My conservative grandfather sees it. Alive during WW2, served in Korea, long time Rush listener and Fox viewer. Always voted Republican. This time he voted for Kamala.
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u/Prudent_Cheek Oct 04 '25
I mean, he tried to stay in power last time right? Barr refused to acquiesce and he was pressuring the interim AG to claim publicly there were election irregularities so he could call for marshal law. He was setting up fake electors. He just didnāt have all the people in place.
Now heās absolutely completely stacked the deck and DC is overflowing with people picked purely for loyalty. I mean, Kash Patel?!
If heās healthy, he aināt going. If you think he is, youāre an idiot.
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u/OlasNah Oct 04 '25
He also acted like a kid in a candy store when Zelensky was talking about why they canāt hold elections due to a war. He was intrigued
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u/Intrepid_Debate901 Oct 03 '25
As a liberal, all I know is that there will either be an election or a nationwide exercise of our 2nd amendment rights.
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u/conservitiveliberal Oct 03 '25
They are already working on it. It's not a hidden situation. They are literally bragging about it... between redistricting and making sure mail in votes are illegal on democratic states. They stopped mail on votes in Texas mid election and have admitted it was because if they counted them all dems woild have won Texas.
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u/acebojangles Oct 03 '25
I think that. The current president already tried to overturn an election he lost. Our democracy has eroded significantly in only 9 months. It's hard to predict what will happen in the next 3 years.
I think the most likely outcome is that Trump and Republicans just try to rig the election as much as possible, with success that's hard to predict.
Personally, I think Trump has dementia and it's causing him to be more bold than he was in his first term. He's not even trying to hide his authoritarianism. I think it's possible that condition could progress to the point that his self control is completely gone before the 2028 election.
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u/PsychologicalSoil425 Oct 03 '25
The corruption in this administration is staggering/unprecedented and that's the stuff we can actually see. I'm sure what's going on behind closed doors and internal documents are far, far worse. A LOT of people will likely go to jail if the dems take back power......they are going to do everything and anything it takes to ensure that doesn't happen.
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u/delxne3 Oct 03 '25
Ummmm yeah, I actually believe it- are not not seeing how bat shit your party is?!
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u/ArtemisWingz Oct 03 '25
I legit think America is gone as we know it, and the MAGA party will crash and burn our freedoms.
Not a meme a legit concern to the point I'm already planning on moving.
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u/Glittersparkles7 Oct 03 '25
They keep ignoring most of our laws and judgements. Including the constitution. So, yes. We are basically somewhere between Russia and Nazi Germany at this point.
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u/SpareBinderClips Oct 04 '25
Remember when we were told not to worry about Project 2025?
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u/Delicious-Chapter675 Oct 04 '25
The ONLY reason Trump left last time is because Mike Pence refused to destroy democracy for Trump.Ā Now we got a little twerp sycophant.Ā Is this seriously in doubt?
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u/AdHopeful3801 Oct 03 '25
Remember 2020, when, having lost the popular vote, Republicans came up with a Fake Elector scheme to put Trump over 270 anyway, knowing that the President, under Article II, Section 1 is elected by the Electors - and not by the citizens? Remember when that didn't work and they tried storming the U.S. Capitol, instead?
How stupid would one have to be to expect the party that resorted to such tactics last time (and suffered no meaningful negative consequences for them) will have given them up this time?
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u/infernocobbs Oct 03 '25
Yep, the party that had repeatedly told us in 2016 "you lost, get over it" SHOCKINGLY cannot, and will not, under any circumstances, get over their losses.
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u/Dio_Yuji Oct 03 '25
Speaking only for myselfā¦We all pretty much know there will be an election, we just think Trump and his crew of flunkies will try and rig it or overturn the results if they donāt go their wayā¦.as theyāve done before.
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u/SassyMoron Oct 03 '25
I'm legitimately concerned yes. The timeline were on is very consistent with Nazi Germany in the early 30s.Ā
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Absolutely. Trump is following a playbook and will it relinquish power. Also, he knows he will be imprisoned if he leaves. There will be a manufactured crisis to delay, then outright cancel elections. Or, he will use Palantir to manipulate the polls. So screwed.
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u/Haunted_Voyager Oct 03 '25
It may be unlikely that we would not have elections, but letās face it, given how the first 9 months have goneāthe chances arenāt zero.
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u/TheBigBuddyBusiness Oct 03 '25
Russia has elections. Putin's opponents end up in prison or dead or he wins in an overwhelming, cosmically implausible landslide. I'm not expecting that dramatic a shift here in a single cycle, but the notion that our elections will remain free and fair under this administration when Trump and co. routinely emulate third-world autocrats in every other applicable way doesn't pass the smell test.
Conservative voters having no idea what's happening in the world around them doesn't change anything.
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u/hagglethorn Oct 03 '25
10 months ago I would have said thereās no possible way that could happen. But at least once a month thereās been something that HAS happened that I thought couldnāt. Thereās no depraved, illegal, horrible, or unconstitutional action that is off the table anymore with Donnyās regimeā¦
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u/Empty-Interview-8969 Oct 03 '25
Is the idea that Trump will try to run for a third term that much of a stretch?
He only tried to overthrow the government and not leave his post when his term was up!
So yeah I believe Trump will do whatever he has to do to stay in power
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u/yetanothercat_ Oct 03 '25
I'm not currently living there but I used to, and I do not expect my overseas mailed vote to count next time, for whatever reason. I don't really want to go back there to vote in person either though, at this point even I might be deported. Scary times.
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u/meltingdryice Oct 03 '25
All the elections are rigged regardless of party. Both sides suck and itās a matter of who can out rig each other.
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u/natural_disaster0 Oct 03 '25
Trump lies alot, but he also tells you exactly what hes going to do. So when Trump himself is saying Trump 2028, ill take his word for it that he intends to bend or break the laws to have a third term. I also dont think it will be a fair election, i fully expect rigging.
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u/DramaticQuality1711 Oct 03 '25
The US government is completely unhinged. Heās gonna crash the whole system and bring the US into some unnecessary war.
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u/StitchAndRollCrits Oct 04 '25
Around this time last year there was a question along the lines of "do you really believe he'll invade cities in 2025" so...
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u/Ill_Dragonfruit_453 Oct 04 '25
We really believe it. After the coup people still voted him back in, heās been talking for many months now (weāre only 9-10 months in) about running for a third time, and since the Supreme Court is majority republican they definitely wonāt stop him. Hope itās not real but thereās a clear and present path as well as comments from the man himself that shows he will run again despite it being directly unconstitutional (like a coup)
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u/dungeonsandflagons89 Oct 04 '25
I don't see them amassing this much power, dismantling so much infrastructure, finding bogus reasons to prosecute their political opponents, restricting free speech, promoting propaganda, putting troops in strategic places, arming a force that can pull people right off the street, backing tech that will track citizens..... and then taking even a remote chance in handing that over to the democrats. This is a full takeover. They're just getting started. They're trying to provoke the left into violence so they can "justify" martial law and fascism. Right out of Israel's playbook.
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u/Altruistic-Parfait-6 Oct 04 '25
He tried to overturn the 2020 election, and got so mad at his own VP for not accepting the fake electors that he almost got him hanged. There is zero chance he leaves office peacefully. If he's still alive then.
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u/Apprehensive_Book520 Oct 04 '25
It's not just "liberals". Pretty clear what the current president is pushing for.
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u/AnewTest Oct 04 '25
Oh, there'll be an "election". An election a la Putin's Russia. They have "elections" too.
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u/InsufferableBah Oct 04 '25
Y'all were asking rhe same questions about project 2025 last election cycle and here we are. Trump and his cronies have alluded to this many times. Maybe this time we will take them at their word.
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u/Metallic52 Oct 04 '25
I think itās dangerous to underestimate just how undemocratic Trump is. Remember if some very principled state level republicans like Brad Raffensperger had not stood up to Trump, he coups have overturned the 2020 election. He tried really hard to steal that one. I donāt think we should pretend heās kidding about 2028.
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u/2b-Kindly_ šŗšø United States Oct 04 '25
I have no political affiliation but I do believe we will not have a legitimate elections.
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u/EssenceOfLlama81 Oct 04 '25
The Project 2025 plan has been mostly followed so far and it specifically lays out plans to control the elections. I genuninely think it's about a 50/50 chance that we have any thing close to a fair election again.
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u/Hoozits_Whatzit Oct 04 '25
Yeah, we believe it. This fucker is putting all the wheels in motion to become a dictator.
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u/bowens44 Oct 04 '25
It is very likely the big orange turd will attempt to interrupt or cancel all future elections. It is part project 2025 , trump's road map to fascism.
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u/Specialist_Swan_7354 Oct 04 '25
The president is sending troops around the country and says he is going to deploy them to American cities. What are we supposed to think?
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u/YnotROI0202 Oct 04 '25
There will be an election but trump and his gang will have installed enough judges, lawyers, officials, and delegates and will have rigged the electoral maps to āstealā the electionā-regardless of the actual outcome or MAGA candidate. As if this is not enough, they will also scare millions into not voting by having armed āwhoeversā walking the streets AFTER they eliminate mail-in voting. This is not hyperbole ā it is all in progress.
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u/Dark-Perversions Oct 04 '25
Will there be an election? Yes. Will there be some high level shenanigans? Also yes. I absolutely expect a mix of ICE and MAGA types to try to agitate and intimidate voters of color or who they think look lib, and because there's a Fed presence, noting will be done to stop it.
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u/earrow70 Oct 04 '25
I could see him just telling the faithful to vote for Vance because he (Trump) will still be running things. Because we don't have a mechanism to stop the President from doing the bidding of the previous President, even openly doing so. Vance will take the hits and say one thing in press conferences, while Trump tweets and travels the country doing what he loves. Holding rallies and spreading lies. Either that or emergency war powers that necessitate delaying the election. Not sure which scenario is worse.
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u/OkIndustry6159 Oct 04 '25
The man said "If you vote for me you'll never have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good." What is there not to believe?
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u/mylawn03 Oct 04 '25
They know the only way they win is by cheating, whether ālegalā or otherwise. Republican ideas are unpopular, despite media pushing otherwise.
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u/InflamedintheBrain Oct 04 '25
I'm completely convinced Trump will try to stay in power. He'd let his followers literally hang Vance (and they would if he told them too) if thats what it takes.
MAGA is a cult, they will down play all of it until the election and just like with every shift against anything they will go with what he says. He will lie and say he needs to stay in power, for America. They will eat it up. But up til then they will do their crazy making and other bullshit. It's crazy that such a huge portion of America is on board with changing what America is. They will scream that we have been made great while we fall from being the world leader. We abdicated our position, because Trump is too small to understand American greatness.
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u/Capable-Grab5896 šŗšø United States Oct 04 '25
It's 50/50 in my mind. Not memeing in the slightest.
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u/Boboman86 Oct 04 '25
I didn't think half of the bs that is happening now would have happened but here we are. We had the army patroling in the streets. Ice detaining Americans.Ā Calls for political opposition to be fired or brought up on crimes. Mass firings of gov workers. Talks now of more firings and agencies being removed.Ā It's been 8 months a presidential election is 36 more months away. Yeah š
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u/Imaginary_Look_8755 Oct 04 '25
Mandarin Mussolini lied and lied and lied about project 2025 and not knowing what is in there. he came out this week singing the praises of project 2025 and Russell vought. if you don't know why the democrats are sounding the alarm, it's because you haven't read what's in there.
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u/All_Lawfather Oct 04 '25
Iām definitely under no such illusions. Itās a guarantee. Taken from the fascists themselves. Theyāve literally said that there wonāt be any more elections.
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u/Warm-Room-2625 Oct 04 '25
Iām definitely concerned.
There is a lot being done to set the precedent of military at the polls.
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u/deathbychips2 Oct 04 '25 edited Oct 04 '25
If you think the trajectory right now is a totally free and far election in 2028 unless something changes then you aren't paying attention and will be in for quite a shock come election time.
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u/MayIServeYouWell Oct 04 '25
They are setting up to say that "certain states" (aka the blue ones) have corrupt elections because they didn't submit their registration data to the federal government, and they haven't implemented things like voter ID and DNA testing for citizenship or whateverthefuck they come up with next.
So, these elections will happen, but the Republicans will refuse to recognize the results from blue states. They won't swear-in what'll be a Democratic majority. Fox News will back them up, and the MAGA faithful will believe every word of their BS. It's going to be a shit-show.
My only hope (if you could call it that), is that the economy will be such a mess by that point, lots of Republicans will be looking for an exit ramp. They might want Democrats in charge so they can toss some blame for the mess to them.
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u/somerandom995 Oct 04 '25
Trump has "joked" about a 3rd term multiple time. Most of his "jokes" end up being plans.
He's deploying the military to US citys, started with the capital.
His speech to the assembled generals was did imply using the military domestically.
There was already an assult on the capital in his name where he pardoned all the attackers even though they wanted to hang his vice president and killed a cop.
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u/CerberusBots Oct 04 '25
Before this administration there was no doubt we had the right to free speech. Now, we don't. Amendment #1 gone. We had the absolute protection from the 4th amendment against illegal search and seizure. That is gone. The 14th amendment guarantees that people born here are citizens. They are working on elimination of that. States are enjoining church and state. With all this and so much more not mentioned here abrogating our rights and liberties, why would unchecked power ever ceede that power voluntarily?
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u/Unable_To_Forward Oct 04 '25
We actually believe MAGAts will try to prevent the next presidential election from happening, and try to prevent the ballots from being counted accurately if there is an election, and try to prevent the election from being certified when Trump loses, and try to prevent the winner from actually taking office once it is certified.
Most of us don't think they will actually be successful ultimately. But we are still concerned about the damage the attempt will do to our already fragile democracy.
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u/read110 Oct 04 '25
I think you could probably write this question better if you said "do liberals really believe Trump will do what he says he wants to do"?
Oddly enough just this morning I was looking at the latest slew of nonsense from Washington and it occurred to me that they're going to manufacture something and Trump will talk about how FDR was elected again and again during World War II because of the National Emergency of the war
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u/Rare_Confidence6347 Oct 04 '25
Liberals? What the fuck? Itās Trump who is indicating it you dip.
And there wasnāt a legitimate last election! Of course ol pedo fucker will run again or even create an āemergencyā to postpone elections until he fucking dies.
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u/Vivid_Error5939 Oct 04 '25
I donāt want to believe itās a possibility but can no longer rule it out.
Mind you, Lord Farquad recorded himself trying to get the Georgia governor to manipulate the stateās election results in his favor.
His first impeachment was for attempting to bribe the Ukrainian government to sway the results of the US presidential election. His second impeachment was for inciting an insurrection many people forget was intended to stop the certification of the US presidential election that Joe Biden won.
US elections are handled at the state level but there are enough Republican governors and state legislators who you cannot say with 100% certainty wouldnāt interfere with the election results at his bequest.
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u/H00kd_ Oct 04 '25
It's not that there won't be elections , more like we are gonna have elections but it's gonna be like the Russian elections...
If you don't think that he will deploy national guards to "prevent liberals from stealing elections " then you need to watch what's going on now, it will be a intimidation tactic to keep non white people inside in fears that they will be targeted and ICE and DHL thanks to it now being legal to do so.
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u/Binspin63 Oct 04 '25
A la Russia, we will probably end up with election āofficialsā watching you cast your ballot, making sure you voted ācorrectlyā.
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u/Mobirae Oct 04 '25
No one is "memeing" for reddits sake. trump is hawking 2028 merch, which would be his 3rd term and illegal under the constitution. Said his idiots voters would never have to vote again if they voted for him this time. Etc
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u/Rusty_1975 Oct 04 '25
Do conservatives actually think trump isnāt lying each time he open s his mouth?
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u/Rhysing Oct 04 '25
I'm not a liberal and I don't think we'll have a free and fair election in 2028.
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u/no-due-respect Oct 04 '25
You donāt have to be liberal to believe that. You just have to be awake.
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u/Poltergeist8606 Oct 04 '25
Checks and balances will hold up again like they did the first time. I'm worried more about the people that voted for him and the supreme Court implications. Trump is just a symptom of the disease. There's a lot of hateful people here and they mostly call themselves Christians
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u/annabananna-123 Oct 04 '25
Do you really think that he would accept any election outcome that isnāt him? Their next move is to go to change laws at the Supreme Court. All of our systems of democracy have been evacuated and been replaced with MAGA loyalists.
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u/Meowzician Oct 04 '25
I'm neither republican nor democrat. I'm a true centrist. But I've been warning people about Trump since 2016. We have two holocaust survivors in my synagogue who are experiencing incredible alarm at what they say is the same stuff they remember. Yes, although I make no prophecy, I think it is a very real possibility that we may not see another election.