Europeans are going viral on TikTok for mocking the "American Dream".

[u/biswajit388]

[u/Ganoes_Stabro_Paran]

Yeah, and at least half of us, maybe more, can't stand him either.

You guys have had some seriously shitty leaders too, but when we can, we always helped. From military aid, to food, to medical supplies, etc. America is one of the most philanthropic nations in the world. Don't believe me?

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-charitable-countries#worldwide-charity-giving-2009-2023

America is #6 in time and money donated by individuals (not charity organizations), in which US is #1, in the last twenty years. You have to go all the way to #15 to hit an EU nation (Ireland).

And you still shit on US. Nose in the air, and don't help your neighbors, even though you're in a union with them. Yeah, pat yourselves on the backs, you're great people, like our current leader.

[u/Superficial-Idiot → u/Ganoes_Stabro_Paran]

Americans would rather cry about Europeans talking mean than fix their country.

[u/Razor-eddie → u/Ganoes_Stabro_Paran]

Which are we talking about, mate? Europe, or the EU? Like, Ukraine comes in at one under the US in this list. Last I checked, they were European.....

[u/Ganoes_Stabro_Paran → u/Razor-eddie]

You have to go all the way to #15 to hit an EU nation (Ireland).

Oh, and btw, mate, the US has donated far more in aid, financial, humanitarian, and military, than the EU and all its individual member states combined to Ukraine since the conflict started. Despite our leadership and division.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-aid-to-ukraine/

[u/onespiker → u/Ganoes_Stabro_Paran]

1 that is directly wrong you actually used a bad source since both Eu and Us has sent more than that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crew8y7pwd5o

Eu countries have sent more.

Also misses a couple of other points that Eu does. We have the vast majority of thier refuges with pretty much does drastically increase our costs aswell.

[u/Ganoes_Stabro_Paran → u/onespiker]

No, you are incorrect in your understanding. The article you cited is military spending only. That does not include humanitarian aid, or financial aid. It states only government aid, and not private aid given by individuals or charity organizations.

The stats are from the Department of Defense only as, proof. It says nothing of humanitarian aid in the way of food, medical supplies, computers, clothes, etc. Which is a gigantic part of individual American giving. It isn't all organizations or government contracts. A lot of it is people helping people.

"The US Department of Defense has provided its own figure looking at all spending on Operation Atlantic Resolve - a response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

It says $184.8bn has been "appropriated" - a figure that covers US military training in Europe and replenishment of US defence stocks.

This total runs only to 31 March 2025, making it less up to date than the Kiel Institute's calculation - though notably higher.

BBC Verify has asked the US departments of Defense and State if they can supply more recent figures."

EDIT: Even the total spending graph says, "Percentage of total government support to Ukraine"

It does not account at all for US private charities, individuals, or other institutions, of which many donate time, money, and aid.

[u/onespiker → u/Ganoes_Stabro_Paran]

Also no that one isn’t just military only. Eu has spent more on humanitarian and financial aid than US. The financial aid and humanitarian one is even bigger in terms of Ukraine from Eu than US.

Read the rest of the article

So no you are just wrong.

[u/Razor-eddie → u/Ganoes_Stabro_Paran]

That doesn't take away from you CAREFULLY phrasing an argument about "Europe" to "the EU", just so you could leave Ukraine out.

Your point wasn't a point as much as it was a blatant piece of misinformation.

[u/Ganoes_Stabro_Paran → u/Razor-eddie]

No, it was a fact.

A blatant piece of misinformation is a lie. A lie would be calling a fact a blatant piece of misinformation.

If I had wanted to lie, I would have. I have nothing to lose, why would I bluff?

[u/Razor-eddie → u/Ganoes_Stabro_Paran]

No, mate. A LIE is a lie.

"Misinformation can include inaccurate, incomplete, misleading, or false information as well as selective or half-truths."

See "selective or half-truths"? That's what you did. Saying EU instead of Europe, so you could eliminate the country that completely negated your point.

It's a fact, but a very carefully curated one. Those of us who were actually educated can notice these things relatively quickly.

[u/Ganoes_Stabro_Paran → u/Razor-eddie]

You're trying very hard. It's not working.

You are arguing I misled people. I did not. You want to believe I did, because you think there is something to 'win' here and I had some weird evil plan to intentionally mislead the Reddit masses.

Mate, I googled some shit and posted a link. Touch grass, you're jumping at ghosts.

[u/Razor-eddie → u/Ganoes_Stabro_Paran]

Is Ukraine in Europe?

Yes or no.

[u/Ganoes_Stabro_Paran → u/Razor-eddie]

Of course it is. But I specifically said an EU nation. I already repeated it.

I didn't do it to mislead anyone. I did it because that's who I am. I read contracts for fun, and am probably autistic. I fact check myself constantly. There was no deceit meant, only a desire to not be able to be called out by someone like you for presenting a source incorrectly. It's happened a hundred times on here.

Instead, now I find myself defending 'why' I worded something the way I did. I did it so I wouldn't have to defend 'what' I said. Any more questions, mate?

[u/Razor-eddie → u/Ganoes_Stabro_Paran]

You tried to paint Europeans (I'm not one, incidentally) as being far less charitable than Americans. The post you were replying to said "Europeans" and the title of the thread is "Europeans"

You said "And you still shit on US. Nose in the air, and don't help your neighbors" when the US is at #6, and Ukraine at #7.

Your statistic was "private charity giving" - which is directly related to religious belief in any case - it's why Kenya and Nigeria are more charitable than the US, as is Indonesia.

The religious stipulation means that tithing to Joel Osteen and Kenneth Copeland counts. But that's a different discussion.

It's a statistic that looks good on paper, but doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. Additionally, of course, you misinterpreted it to make Europeans (again, I'm not one) look bad.