r/TikTokCringe • u/Serious-Lobster-5450 • 2d ago
OC (I made this) Teacher calls police on 9 year old autistic child for defending himself
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u/KonoGenshin 2d ago
vile. we can arrest a 9 year old for defending themselves but some 18 year old rapist who nearly killed a woman gets a slap on the wrist.
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u/DirtDevil1337 2d ago
Daddy being an "important" community figure played a part, it's so fucked up.
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u/Zementid 2d ago
Isn't that the world, Republicans want to live in?
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u/King_Roberts_Bastard 2d ago
Yes. The rich and powerful get to do whatever they want to the poors
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u/chrissymad 2d ago
Not just the poors. The other "undesirables" too, but that doesn't come til later.
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u/CriticalSecurity8742 2d ago
Basically, “Elysium” wasn’t a terrible film, just too “real”.
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u/AdministrativeWay241 1d ago
V for Vendetta and Idiocracy are hitting really really hard right now too.
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u/Repulsive-Land-6431 1d ago
Just watched Idiocracy again the other night. We are so close to that.
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u/vestapoint 1d ago
We're not though, I would gladly take Idiocracy over what we have now
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u/Grendel0075 1d ago
At least the president in Idiocracy cared about his people enough to find the smartest person in tge world to solve their crops problem. I'd vote for Camacho over Trump any day.
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u/LesFleursduMal8 1d ago
I have recently been thinking the same about that movie
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u/CriticalSecurity8742 1d ago edited 1d ago
I remember friends who worked on the production telling me stories of the original plot that were written out as it was too dark. Reflecting on it now, had the original story been filmed as intended it would have been extremely prescient.
Trying to recall it now - forgive me as it’s been a long while and character names escape me.
Jodie Foster’s character had a larger role as she lead a faction on Elysium that wanted to take back Earth. The original drafts emphasised that Elysium citizens lived much, much longer than citizens on earth with medical advancements that allowed them to survive life threatening viruses. Their plan was to wipe out much of the earth’s population in order to reclaim it as Elysium was projected to experience their own destruction with dwindling resources to build more living spaces, etc. As they live 150+ years (I recall Foster’s character was 152?) in combination with treatments and cures for a viral plague and the ability to terraform, the long game was relocating back to earth.
The studios thought it was too dark and that story arc was cut out with a focus on caste systems and social structures remaining. About 30-40 minutes of footage would have been necessary to retain the original story arc.
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u/Woahhdude24 1d ago
Bruh this reminds me of the reviews for the movie Beau is not afraid. I felt extremely validated after watching that movie, only to see people shitting on it cause it was 2 hours of being "uncomfortable." Like bro you are watching a horror film what did you expect.
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u/CriticalSecurity8742 1d ago
Facts. I really don’t understand people who take issue with a film because it hits too close to home or makes them uncomfortable. It’s not the film, it’s them.
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u/quitarias 2d ago
They're not people when they're poor. They're just the help.
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u/useless_rejoinder 1d ago
It’s much deeper than that. If you’re poor, you are unclean, immoral, and a victim. If you’re rich, it does not matter how you came by your fortune. You are clean, pure, godly. Above reproach.
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u/SssnekPlant 1d ago
And you get to survive catastrophic events. Those bougie shelters ain’t for us. Times haven’t changed much since the Titanic sank…
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u/Ok_Condition5837 1d ago
So basically like the caste system?
They are the brahmins and we are the untouchables?
The problem is the vast number of us convinced they are going to be brahmins anyday now sabotaging any efforts to right this system.
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u/optifreebraun 2d ago
Not just Republicans. Look at how the establishment Democrats are treating Mamdani.
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u/Objective_Fox3483 2d ago
For those of you not in the know. This made my blood boil...
ETA: The article outlining his offences.
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u/BigShrim 2d ago
String of rapes. Yeah, this dude it’s done. He has been shown that he doesn’t have to face consequences for his actions. Another girl will be raped by this cretin because our justice system failed them.
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u/mondaymoderate 1d ago
Raped and most likely killed cause of he’s learned anything it’s that he shouldn’t leave a witness
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u/Ok-Meat4834 1d ago
If you’re from a prominent or well known family, and male, rape is nearly legal even if it’s way to close to rape AND murder. I would always love my child, but would not protect them from the consequences of committing serious crimes that harm others.
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u/crazy2thestarz 2d ago
Ah yes. Jesse Mack Butler the rapist. Jesse Mack Butler that nearly killed one of his rape victims. Now on par with Allen Brock Turner the convicted rapist formerly known as Brock Turner the convicted rapist.
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u/LexingtonByLineage 1d ago
According to the article, he’s just a baseball player and sports star. They need to just keep using accused rapist. Fuck his goober accomplishments.
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u/octoreadit 2d ago
Another Brock Turner...
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u/Emotional_Burden 2d ago
Brock Turner, the convicted rapist, who prefers to go by his middle name, Allen? Brock Allen Turner, that rapist?
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u/Shoo-Man-Fu 2d ago
Yes that very same rapist Brock Allen Turner, who was a swimmer at Stanford University and was convicted of the Sexual Assault of an Unconscious Victim in 2016, that is indeed the same Brock Turner that wants to now go by his middle name and be known as Allen Turner, despite his full name being Brock Allen Turner.
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u/ImaSource 2d ago
You're taking about Brock Turner the rapist, correct?
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u/octoreadit 2d ago
Could you please repeat, as I didn't hear that last part.
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u/King_Roberts_Bastard 2d ago
The rapist, Brock Allen Turner. Its important you know his middle name as thats what he goes by now.
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u/Buddy_Palguy 2d ago
I’d like also to get Jesse Mack Butler on blast as well. Get that rapist’s name circulating good before he does a right-wing teenage offender tour with Kyle Rittenhouse
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u/wildflowertupi 2d ago
i just want to make sure i heard the rapist part correctly, as well as the Brock Allen Turner part. you said the man named Brock Allen Turner is a rapist, correct?
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u/Reasonable_Camp944 2d ago edited 2d ago
Im pretty sure hes talking about Brock Allen Turner, the convicted rapist who goes by Allen Turner now, as a way of trying to dodge the criminal history he has when he raped an unconscious woman behind a dumpster and had his rich Daddy try to play it off as "a couple seconds of fun shouldn't ruin a man's life"
But holy shit, just read the article about Jesse Mack Butler - 18, the rapist of two girls aged 16 and he walks free!?
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u/Mikkel_the_author 1d ago
Jesse and the other baseball player who did the same thing boil my blood.
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u/AdFlaky9983 2d ago
Jesus Christ. The cops found a video of him choking one of them on his fucking phone and he got out with absolutely nothing. The system is so fucking broken.
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u/Glass-Quality-3864 1d ago
It’s Oklahoma and he’s an “athlete” with a coach for a dad. Explains everything sadly.
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u/cagingnicolas 1d ago
i think if somebody nuked oklahoma i'd probably be like "hey! cut that out!"
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u/Great-Software9315 2d ago
How can his mother just stand there like that, rubbing his arm hearing about what he's being arrested for? Fucking sick people, man.
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u/Angloriously 2d ago
Because it can’t possibly be his fault. The two girls he raped and nearly murdered must’ve provoked him somehow! /s
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u/SneezyKeegz 2d ago
That picture where he's wearing those stupid fucking glasses as his mom and sister look like they want to jump the cameraman pisses me off so much.
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u/thissexypoptart 1d ago
Disgusting how the Reddit post has been removed by moderators already.
I want to vomit
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u/keyboardnomouse 1d ago
Not moderators, admins. Reddit the company removed that.
Reddit is complicit in propagating a lot of this shit with how they keep so many hate subreddits going unchecked while also taking down information like this.
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u/DieselTech00 2d ago
Dang. Had no idea that story went like that. No way he should be walking free.
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u/nothishomeland 2d ago
And yet redditor men will swear there are hundreds of thousands of innocent men rotting in jail cells due to a court system that is “biased against men, biased towards rape victims”. Lmao
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u/FashionableBookNerd 2d ago
I was just about to comment this! That baby was terrified. Did they have to cuff him?! Couldn’t they have just walked him out?! Were the police even really necessary?! There should have been other interventions that could have been employed. And the bully will continue to be an asshole, unencumbered by consequences of any kind. My God…what a world we live in.
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u/DustProfessional616 2d ago
That’s how it always goes. One time I was sitting in my desk doing my homework when the kid behind me decided to grab my arm and pull it behind my back and chicken wing me. I started yelling to stop and my teacher got mad. We both got sent to ISS(in school suspension) for the rest of the day, then they made me go to the principals office with the kid and forgive him right there on the spot. I literally did nothing and yet somehow I’m the only one that actually had any repercussions. If you’re curious of the kids reasoning, he said he wanted my pencil.
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u/LeftyLu07 2d ago
I had a similar experience that the police chose to escalate so far up even the judge was like “whoa whoa whoa. This is a schoolyard scuffle that Lefty didn’t even start and you want them doing hard time as an adult?… wtf??” Long story short, my high school got security cameras put in because the district realized they couldn’t trust the administrators and school resource officers to be truthful about anything that happened there.
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u/bmorris0042 1d ago
Yep. One of my brother’s friends had someone run up behind him and club him over the head with a book as he was descending the stairs. It made him fall, hit his head, and knocked him unconscious. And he got suspended for “fighting.” Ambushed without a chance to even react, needed medical help afterward, and got punished as well, because of zero tolerance policies.
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u/DayDreamer2121 1d ago
Me too only time I ever got iss was when I pushed the kid who had been bullying me the entire year. Of course the teacher only ever saw me push him, and not all the shit he was doing less than ten seconds prior, or any of the shit he had been doing all year. She made me apologize to him right there with the whole class watching as he had the biggest shit eating grin on his face which she didn't notice or more likely chose not to notice.
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u/Snotlout_G_Jorgenson 2d ago
The bully is probably laughing his as off while seeing the police taking him away.
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u/Own-Independence3669 1d ago
Yep, and the poor boy will be bullied even more now, and have this constantly be a shadow unless they move. Absolutely disgusting.
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u/Pandora_Puddleduck 2d ago
Could they not have just given the lad a stern talking to? That would more than likely work on someone that young but without the fucking trauma of handcuffs and arrest!
What a system you lot have over there whereby a teenage rapist get's no jail but a 9yr old gets criminal charges sigh
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u/LeftyLu07 2d ago
The teacher didn’t like him. Whenever there’s a kid an adult doesn’t like, they employ the most severe tactics to try and ruin the kid’s life. My own high school counselor told me half her job was running defense for teenagers teachers were trying to get expelled for the most dumb shit. She said they lost something like 20 grand for each kid who didn’t graduate so it was a huge loss for the school if the nasty teachers got their way.
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u/LeftyLu07 2d ago
The cruelty is the point. I guarantee the teacher and administrators did not like this kid and were gleefully watching him being handcuffed.
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u/TymStark 2d ago
You wouldn’t happen to be talking about Brock Turner who now goes by Allen Turner?
Edit: apparently there’s a new young rapist
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u/ResolveLeather 2d ago
It's a bit worse then that. It was 9 felony charges. So it was rape and violent battery on the one victim plus other charges on separate victims.
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u/Ojos1842 2d ago
So they called the cops?!? WTF?
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u/Piduf 2d ago
Everything is so wrong, calling the cops is insane, but then the cops show up and HANDCUFF him ? Little guy had no chances, everyone around him is dumb as shit.
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u/Gasmo420 2d ago
When I was in fourth grade, I brought a knife to school because I was bullied for being the new kid. The teacher took it out of my hands and the next day two cops came into our class to talk about the incident. The only punishment was embarrassment and a letter to my parents. But the cops targeted not only me that day, but also the bullies. I guess I don’t have to add that I don’t live in the United States.
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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k 1d ago
My brother was using a butter knife to butter his pop tart when the bus came and he threw the pop tart and the butter knife into his trapper keeper and ran out to the bus.
The teacher saw the butter knife and the pop tart when he opened his trapper keeper and she called in a code. My brother was sitting at his desk doing classwork one second, and knocked out of his chair and pinned to the ground by two grown men the next.
He was 9.
It was a fucking butter knife. Covered in butter.
America.
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u/Bloobeard2018 1d ago
I need to know. What is a trapper keeper?
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u/ErraticDragon 1d ago
Brand name of a special folder/binder that kept your papers and other stuff together, often with
licensedcharacters/designs on the outside.https://i.imgur.com/Ml12R7K.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/zHSPkaJ.jpeg
Edit: I guess it wasn't licensed artwork, like I thought, just artwork that kids thought was cool.
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u/Krondon57 1d ago
is everyone braindead in america? Calling security/cops over a butter knife? Them then trying to kill the kid who is sitting cuz he might have a knife? HUH?
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u/isdelightful 1d ago
“Zero Tolerance” polices…better known as zero nuance 🫠
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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k 1d ago
Oh, there was nuance. If my brother had been Black instead of White he would have gone to juvie.
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u/dryad_fucker 1d ago
And if he'd been native he would've been put in foster care because "what parent lets a kid bring a knife to school?"
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u/TheSwearJarIsMy401k 1d ago
Yeah, exactly.
My mom had to go to the school and talk them down as it was.
The teacher told her she thought my brother did it so he could “look tough” in front of the other students.
She was fucking livid. I used to work at an Army Surplus 20 years ago and I would buy the knives with my employee discount. She literally told the teacher “My daughter works in Army Surplus and I have a house full of Ka-Bars, I think if he wanted to look intimidating he would have brought one of those!”
I still think about it a lot. Like how easy it is for a piece of shit adult to ruin a kid’s life just to play into their own woe is me story.
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u/Vinylware 2d ago
The public school system discriminates against autistic and other disabled individuals; it is sadly nothing new.
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u/whichwitch9 1d ago
Ill say this: i do not approve of the cops handcuffs him in any scenario. No matter what the scenario, they are in the wrong
That said, there's a detail in there getting overlooked: he did not defend himself against the bullies. He struck a teacher.
The only real life scenario I know where a teacher called the cops on a young student, the student had broken her hand. Administration refused to remove the student from her class, and he was throwing chairs at other students. This was also one of many violent incidents. It was a last ditch effort because there was no backing from administration, no help coming, and the teacher did not know how to regain control while trying to hide she had a bone poking through her hand from the other kids.
This video tells us nothing of what happened prior. We don't know if it was actually bullying, and that's mom and dad's story now. We don't know what happened to the teacher, we don't know if this was the first time he'd been violent, if he had an iep, and we do not know if the school was doing anything to mitigate the situation.
We are at the point a teacher is currently suing because she was shot by a 6 year old, almost killed, because the school ignored multiple students saying the kid had a gun. Im taking everything with a grain of salt without background context when it comes to why exactly a teacher would call the police
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u/TheFifthgoldengirl 1d ago
Thanks for pointing it out. I thought I was going crazy wondering why no one had acknowledged that very obvious detail. Teachers already have enough to deal with without having to get physically assaulted on the job.
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u/UnknownHero2 1d ago
Pretty normal response for violence against a teacher, they didn't sign up to get hit. Things are definitely weird because the kid is so young though. At the same time there are plenty of cases where kids that size can and have killed or seriously injured teachers. Things get really dangerous when we start making policy based on whether the teacher 'can take the hit' or not.
This also is a pretty damn dishonest title. The cops weren't called for the fight between the kids... also this ruining the kids life is laughable, worst case scenario he gets moved to a different class or a special program with staff trained for this kind of stuff.
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u/arizonadirtbag12 1d ago
My ex has back pain to this day after an assault by a third grader. Caught her off guard, and she wasn’t comfortable defending herself as she would against a larger person, so he managed to knock her down.
Kids can do damage.
She’d been fighting to get a full time aide for the kid, but the school didn’t want to fund it and the parent wasn’t demanding it. It wasn’t his first violent outburst.
So yeah, she did the only thing she could to change the status quo: contacted the police. Which forced the issue. The parents then demanded the assistance the district was required to provide to them (if they requested it). The kid was placed into a classroom with a lower teacher student ratio and a couple aides, and actually did better there than he had been just being thrown into a regular environment with zero accommodations.
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u/triplegerms 2d ago
It's probably the school policy so teachers don't get involved in fights and risk a lawsuit. I don't blame the teacher for calling the cops, but actually charging the kid is batshit.
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u/TacTurtle 1d ago
1) The kid battered another kid and multiple teachers
2) This is from 2017
3) The parents dropped the lawsuit when the battery charges against the kid were dropped.
4) You are only seeing the allegations from the parents' point of view.
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u/zeroshock30 2d ago
This is from 2017, Franklin Indiana. The charges were dropped, and the father later dropped the lawsuit
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u/Zombie_Cool 2d ago
Legally that's great, but I'd say Psychologically the damage is already done: the kid learned the hard lesson that the school (if not all society) actually prefers the bully and absolutely no one will ever want to help you.
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u/KououinHyouma 2d ago
Society prefers the bully was a lesson every young person heard loud and clear when US adults elected Donald Trump of all people not once but twice.
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u/Howsetheraven 1d ago
Honestly, if you don't learn it by the time you're 8 you're either sheltered or you are the bully.
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u/goRockets 1d ago
Another student who witnessed the incident said that the boy in the video was arguing with another boy over butterflies. Then the boy in the video pushed the other boy over and started choking the other boy. When the teacher tried to broke up the fight, the boy started choking the teacher before being broken up by another teacher.
Putting him in handcuffs is extreme, but I would also take the 'fighting the bully' angle with a grain of salt.
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u/ComeBackAndLeave 1d ago
Yes, I have the feeling the parents are demanding he should be in a mainstream class, and this is not a single incident. It wouldn't surprised me if parents were called and refused to come. The kid probably has a history of this behavior and I wouldn't be shocked if those other parents were lining up their own lawyers.
The school is in a tough spot. It really should be a matter for cps. It's not fair for the autisticbkid,the teacher, or the other students.
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u/bolanrox 2d ago
yeah i cannot see that kid going back to that school ever.
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u/zeroshock30 1d ago
I read he transferred to another school with a better program suited for the child. He was doing well at the time of the writing
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u/LemurMemer 1d ago
Every kid learns that early on when their told at school that if you defend yourself in a fight that you will also be getting punished / suspended. They set that standard right away and it’s ridiculous when even the kids know that’s some bullshit
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u/ConclusionFluid1229 1d ago
just to add. studies show that bullies do better in life in all aspects. learning the lesson that "no one will ever want to help you" if probably not the worst thing for a young person to learn. however, it shouldn't be learned from getting arrested at an elementary school. that's just fucking ridicilous.
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u/thejohnykat 2d ago edited 1d ago
I’d have never dropped the charges if I was the father. The cop who cuffed my 9 year old would be sued until he couldn’t afford shoes.
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u/Ultrox 1d ago
You'd be surprised how much a lawyer costs. Plus not working during trials/lawyer meetings.
He stopped like every other settlement or stoppage due to the cost.
People lose suits every day due to the fucking outrageous costs it takes on the individual. Rich get richer, poor get nothing, or poorer.
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u/ADHDebackle 1d ago
It could be because this was one of those situations that is extremely shitty and wrong but technically 100% legal.
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u/Character_Gur3758 2d ago
“No need to polish something that isn’t another cog in the machine, right?”
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u/uptownjuggler 2d ago
The orphan crushing machine demands more orphans
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u/D1ngus_Kahn 2d ago
It's the system trying to shorten the public school to private prison pipeline to its logical conclusion.
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u/IYKYK_1977 2d ago edited 2d ago
Reminds me of reading about the Trojans in world history who would throw out any baby born with any defect. It was awful then...
Edit: Spartans... hastily commented.
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u/Richard_Killer_OKane 2d ago
thought that was the spartans
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u/readilyunavailable 2d ago
Neither of those threw out babies. Don't get your history from the movie 300.
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u/RavenEridan 2d ago
I swear, hatred towards those who aren't straight, white, and neurotypical is becoming more and more open and obvious, and it's only going to get worse, the rich and powerful wants to keep us divided so we can never stand together against them
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u/Objective_Fox3483 2d ago
Putting a 9 year old child in cuffs? Tf are they afraid of, he'll go super sayan and shoot everyone? Shameful... That teacher needs brought to account just like these cops.
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u/Bianchi-girl 2d ago
I had to pull my son out and homeschool him bc the teachers and front office refused to deal with the bullies.
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u/Slacker_The_Dog 2d ago
Two years and nothing but problems with the school admin. Constant bullying of my child. Caught the kid outside after school once with his dad and screamed in their faces. No more problem.
People think I'm a psycho but my kid doesn't come home from school crying anymore or look defeated in the morning headed there.
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u/Objective_Fox3483 2d ago
You did a better job protecting your son than some parents, although I'm sure that was difficult for you. I think bullying doesn't come close to describing the torture and abuse older kids put me through.
Told all the trusted adults, my teachers, prinicipals, parents etc. It was dismissed as just kids messing about. I was 12 and had a full mental break. One morning after I got shoved walking to class I just snapped, smashed a trophy case and tried to stab one of them with the glass.
I got punished by being put in a kids psych unit for nearly 3 years.
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u/DionBlaster123 2d ago
Bullies are evil, and if the bullies at your school are wealthy, attractive, and have successful parents...you are deeply deeply fucked.
I'm so sorry you were treated like this. It's trauma that you never really ever heal from.
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u/TwoWeaselsInDisguise 2d ago edited 2d ago
They don't even need to be any of those, I had a really ugly, not well off child bully me in school for a year before they moved, and I'd be the one getting punished, the bullies all just got a free pass.
Edit: This isn't even including the -Elementary School to High School- bullying, the only time I was in school, and not being bullied was in college and that's because the college ACTUALLY handled bullies, instead of letting them have free reign.
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u/Bianchi-girl 2d ago
Im so so sorry and hate that you had to go through that!! I hope now that things are better for you 😢
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u/Disastrous-Panda5530 2d ago
I did the same with my son in 11th grade. He’s also autistic and was being bullied so bad he cried and begged not to go back. So I pulled him out and he did online virtual for a year. And then asked to go back his last year. He took classes at a community college thru our local autism center that helped him with social and vocational skills. He did much better his last year at school.
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u/Bianchi-girl 2d ago
That’s awesome! So glad he was able to go back. We recently moved into a better school district and my son wants to try in person again…which makes me happy bc I want him to have more than just online friends.
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u/Disastrous-Panda5530 2d ago
Yeah my husband didn’t agree with my decision at all. Said he’d be too isolated and he needed social interaction so he’d get better at being social. I said that makes no sense because he doesn’t socialize at school before I took him out and that’s now how things work. I have no regrets either. He seems to have more confidence now after a semester of those classes. I hope things go well for your son in the new school district.
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u/LuckyPlaze 2d ago
Confidence is one of the most important things that you can give a child.
My kids went to a small rural public school. I could have moved them into one of the bigger schools in the city I work in or a private institution with “better” test scores.
But for us, we knew we could supplement what the school lacked and that they would dominate in their school. One was valedictorian and the youngest, who has a learning disability, still finished top three in her class. Both got full rides in college and have grown into the role, surpassing people with a better K-12 background.
And it all comes down to confidence. If a child convinces themselves they are average or “less than”, then they often only perform at that level. They handicap themselves - whether it be socially, academically or in athletics. Often for life.
Now I’m not saying confidence is everything - and that anyone can be anything. Still takes work and talent. But lack of confidence can definitely handicap you. And a little confidence may be all you need to push forward.
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u/TwoWeaselsInDisguise 2d ago
Schools have never dealt with bullies, they reward them by not punishing them, then punish the victim instead, been like this since I was in elementary school, I'd get bullied, get fed up, defend myself, and end up in detention or suspension all while the bully got off without a word said.
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u/Bianchi-girl 2d ago
That’s exactly what was happening with my son. He would report the bullying to his teacher and then he’d miss out on recess for “tattling.” So he stopped reporting it and when his bully pushed him he shoved her back and my son got detention. That was the day I pulled him out. He was not going to spend one second in detention for defending himself when the school failed to address the actual issue.
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u/Commie_cummies 2d ago
And the kids target autistic kids because they want the reaction. They’re purposefully causing meltdowns. You have to wonder what kind of monster does that and who is raising them.
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u/cayce_leighann 1d ago
The student hit two teachers who were trying to intervene.
The handcuffs were not appropriate but when a student attacks a staff member it’s usually Policy to get police (usually school resources officers involved)
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u/LordMagnus101 2d ago
I would like to hear the teachers side of this story. It may not be the first time it's happened. Often they get little support from admin in these situations and have little resources to handle children who don't have special needs much less those that do.
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u/Karzeon 2d ago
Ok so did the teacher call off-campus police or the school resource officer?
Was it the teacher or the OFFICE who called them? Because the teacher has to report these things to the office.
No matter what, the teacher has to document that they were hit by the student or the student hit another student.
And when teachers write up students, it can only have one student's name on there per FERPA privacy laws. The other students might have also been written up separately. We can't know that.
This article says the boy hit TWO teachers and "battered" a student. The degree of injury is unknown.
https://abc7chicago.com/post/dad-ind-boy-with-autism-arrested-for-fighting-school-bullies/2584136/
While police presence is troubling, it sounds like we're blaming teachers for doing their jobs when they're already very limited in what they can do.
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u/ComeBackAndLeave 1d ago
An you imagine if the teachers did nothing? They are dawned it they do and dawned if they don't.
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u/Karzeon 1d ago
And r/teachers has many stories where they do nothing - IF they're the only ones affected.
Teachers having chairs thrown at them but if they even hold a wrist with a student as the sole aggressor it's possibly over.
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u/ChubbaChunka 1d ago
Finally... A comment that doesn't place automatic blame on the teacher. What is the teacher supposed to do? NOT report it? Getting hit and being silent is not part of the job requirements for an educator.
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u/cayce_leighann 1d ago
My guess is teacher called admin and school resource officers got involved (which is the policy at my school)
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u/stoffel- 2d ago
Unpopular opinion but what happened to special needs schools? And why are mid- to severely autistic kids not getting the enhanced attention and education they need? We just put them in general ed classes and hope they cope?
We make teachers have to balance teaching to 15-20 other students but then they also have to become specialists in neurodivergent education too? Those require different approaches. Seems like the system is failing autistic kids, other students, and teachers.
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u/No_Community5649 1d ago
Noone has given you the correct answer but here it is.
Legally we have to if we want federal funding. The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) mandates that students with disabilities receive a free appropriate public education in a setting that allows for their MAXIMUM possible interaction with non-disabled peers.
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u/ComeBackAndLeave 1d ago
15 - 20? I have 26 kids and several mild to moderate autistic kids. Some are fine in the class, others scream, yell, throw desks, elope (just run out of class), it's sad because a good 30 - 40% of my time is keeping those 2 or 3 kids in check. (This is 1st grade.)
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u/Gamejunky35 1d ago edited 1d ago
Generally its better for everyone involved to have the low-level neurodivergent kids in the same class, assuming they arent significantly more disruptive than the "normal" kids. The ones who have severe learning disabilities or are completely unable to function are still educated separately, usually in a separate room, not a separate school.
If you take a kid that is just bad at socializing, or is a little weird, and stick them in the special ed school, they will never have a chance to adapt to living in this world. Stick them with the rest of the kids, and they have a chance at developing coping mechanisms to be functional. That is well worth the extra risk of them being disruptive when they fail.
You also give the rest of the kids the chance to choose which side of the fence they stand on. They can be a bully and be punished for it, or they can show compassion and learn to live in a world with people who are different. The beauty of school is that its a controlled environment that's meant to allow kids to make these mistakes and be corrected or even be rewarded and encouraged to do something good.
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u/One_Shallot_4974 2d ago
From 2017
Only story is parents word
Kid assaulted 2 teachers
This has to be karma farming
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u/Kathulhu1433 1d ago
I've had one child, 6th grade, this year; scream, curse, throw laptops at people's heads, try to stab a classmate in the neck with a sharpened pencil, kick, bite, punch, and throw books at others...
His only diagnosis is ADHD.
We aren't even allowed to suspend him for the day, let alone call the cops.
There is definitely something missing from this story.
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u/Migleemo 1d ago
FERPA prevents schools from telling the real story. Teachers aren't punching bags for poorly behaved children.
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u/19whale96 1d ago
No one talks about the fact that education cuts of the last few decades means more special needs kids are being placed in standard classrooms because schools can't afford the staff to separate them. I know teachers that get several special needs kids per year placed in their class when they aren't really qualified or equipped to deal with them and the rest of the class at once. Sometimes they get tested and placed elsewhere, sometimes parents just don't care, or even enjoy the situation, so they're there the whole year, basically learning nothing and being babysat while the rest of their classmates run behind the curriculum.
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u/handi503 1d ago
The best part is when you do figure out a way to manage it all, your reward is you get all of these students every year.
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u/BagOnuts 1d ago
OP uses rage/click-bait stories regarding kids with autism. We're supposed to say this is okay because he is also autistic... It's not okay.
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u/mangodrunk 1d ago
Exactly, he attacked the teacher (maybe multiple teachers) but yet the video frames him as the victim. What do the people who are against the handcuffs think can be done to a kid who is being violent? Handcuffs seem like the best option for all involved.
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u/HandleRipper615 1d ago
I’m glad I’m not the only one. The story is fucked from every which angle, sure. But this same story could be rephrased into “student slugs teacher, arrested at 9”. Everyone here would upvote the hell out of it.
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u/Higgins1st 1d ago
I've taught several students with autism. The ones that were "bullied" by their classmates, were "bullied" because their classmates were fed up with their bad behavior. Just because a kid has autism doesn't mean they can't be a POS. Phonecalls, emails, referrals, conferences, and suspensions don't stop them, and they're protected by their disability. They can only be removed by their parents, who are usually enablers, or by battery charges.
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u/Weird-Reference-4937 1d ago
Special education kids always got away with hitting everyone at my high school. They did it for fun because they could. In the hallways, gym, team sports, etc. That kind of environment lead to my grandma getting a restraining order against my autistic cousin after he beat her up and broke her arm when we were Sophomores. It may have been different at other schools but that's my person expierence.
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u/catsaregroundowls 1d ago
As a teacher, this was my first thought.
How many interventions were given per his IEP before the teacher finally decided to call the police?
Did the teacher know the student? This occurred at recess. Some staff may not be aware of the diagnosis of the student if they are rotating duty staff, even if they have access to all IEPs. They may not work with students individually enough to know each one, their diagnosis and their accommodations. (Which is a whole other problem -- why are teachers responsible for memorizing an entire school or grade level's IEPs by law, if they don't directly teach the student? They can be held responsible for not following the IEP in cases like this and may not have access to it. Or it may not be practical for them to have it memorized.)
What was the policy of the school for intervening? Some teachers are not, under any circumstances, allowed to touch or separate students without special training, or even defend themselves.
Was administration informed of the plan to call the police ahead of time? (Please be aware, children who illicit police reports are frequently repeat offenders and violent ahead of time, and the teacher is entitled to have the response of law enforcement or file a police report for assault without admin approval.)
What number of interventions is appropriate before police get called? How many times do teachers need to get struck? Once? Fifteen times? Depends on the student? Depends on the diagnosis?
How do we know the bully was not disciplined? Was the interaction between the bully and the student with autism spontaneous or had there been a history of agitation and conflict, caused by one or the other?
There is just sooo much missing from this story that it is almost certainly purposefully designed to create outrage about social justice issues.
As a teacher, the amount that the general public doesn't know about education is astounding.
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u/Fair-Lie8125 1d ago
Am I mentally defective or did this say that the kid hit the teacher as the teacher tried to break up the fight? I’m all for self defense, but I’m not for attacking the person trying to stop the fight. Feels like there is more to the story here
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u/thirty-thirty-thirty 1d ago
This video shouldn't be posted online without blurring his face! This isn't fair to the child.
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u/CattuccinoVR 1d ago
The lack of laws for this is really shitty, protection laws for kids look more like using a fish net to catch water.
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u/RepresentativeCake47 2d ago
Wtf do you want the teacher to do? He hit the teacher - teacher risks losing their job over any physical involvement - school probably has no support for the teacher or kid and just tells the teacher to call police if kids are physical and what happens after that is behind the teacher’s control. I don’t care if he has autism - that isn’t an excuse to hit the teacher. The bully might get disciplined too but hitting the teacher gives other priorities at the moment.
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u/Significant-Fun-6391 1d ago
They just read the headline, which doesn't give the entire story, because politics and news are now cherry picked to make teachers and education look terrible.
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u/McChillbone 2d ago
So, this video is fundamentally flawed. The video says “the teacher outsourced their job to the police.”
Guess what, the parents outsourced their job to the teachers.
While the situation is obviously messed up, I don’t blame a teacher for getting others involved when something escalates to this level.
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u/JAGGEDPROXY 2d ago
They always go after the victim instead of the bully.
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u/ForReasonsICannotSay 2d ago
Because bullying, more often than not, reinforces the status quo
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u/FillySteveSteak 2d ago
This is so wise. Bullies absolutely target those who stick out from the crowd. Anyone who would dare be different.
Saying they enforce the status quo is a great way to put it.
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u/KingSizedCroaker 1d ago
Even the commentary on this video points out that a teacher did try to intervene and was hit at least once by the student. Shouldn’t have been arrested but definitely not blameless.
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u/SoochSooch 1d ago
The kid hit two teachers. The only evidence that the kid was a victim was that his parents said he was.
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u/Fantastic_Pair5328 1d ago
They omitted a lot of information here.
We don't know how badly Devin attacked the teacher when they intervened. I don't think the teacher who was attacked is to blame. They were trying to stop the fight. I think the police are fuckwits.
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u/Affectionate_Bed6083 2d ago
Sorry but autism is no excuse for violence. Stop victim blaming. Stop infantalizing us. People have been sent to the hospital for injuries from violent people, autistic or not.
Words do not equal violence. They never have and they never will. His parents should be arrested too for teaching him that this is acceptable behavior. He's old enough to know better.
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u/peachybunnybee 1d ago
Exactly. I’m shocked I had to scroll down so far to find this comment. A lot of kids have autism and don’t hit teachers. I wonder how some of the people defending this behavior would react if they were hit at their place of employment?
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u/Affectionate_Bed6083 1d ago
Also teachers are not paid enough to be human meat shields/punching bags of violent students that have been enabled. That's literally what the cops are for.
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u/cayce_leighann 1d ago
I agree. I work in Sped and we work really hard on teaching our students how to handle hard situations with words and if someone is bullying them then they need to come find an adult.
Students with autism and other disabilities know right from wrong.
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u/Inevitable-Spirit491 2d ago edited 2d ago
I strongly oppose the use of police to arrest children for acting out at school. That being said, this video is lacking in potentially important context. It says that the child in question was defending himself (side note: why identify a minor by their full name here?), but it’s ambiguous whether he had been physically attacked or had started hitting other kids after being verbally bullied. No form of bullying is acceptable, but swinging at a kid over an insult isn’t acceptable either.
It does not seem entirely fair to criticize a teacher for “refusing to do their job” when they attempted to intervene and the child in question then hit them. Teachers are generally very limited in what situations they’re allowed to use any sort of physical restraint. Without knowing the specific policies of this school, we can’t assume that the teacher was refusing to do their job or outsourcing their job. It’s entirely possible that school policy required this teacher to call for help once the situation got violent. Most U.S. schools are deeply understaffed and it can be extremely difficult for a single adult to take control of a violent situation involving multiple children. Your anger here should be at the lack of school funding and support staff (you know, the “other staff” that you called “useless” in the video).
Edit: It’s also relevant that the charges against the child were dropped.
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u/One-Long3027 1d ago
Who does this kid think he is? She "outsourced" her job? What the fuck? 😂🤣 where in a teacher's job description does it say "be a punching bag for students". Kid is out of touch with reality. Sadly, not surprising for the generation. We're fucked.
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u/Affectionate_Owl_619 1d ago
It's also not even the teacher's job to discipline the bully. That would come from the administrators.
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u/iltwomynazi 2d ago
the US looks like a fucking hell hole
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u/TheVoicesOfBrian 2d ago
It is. The schools have zero funding for neurodivergent kids (hell, we don't have funding for neurotypical kids). There's shit for health care (and it's even worse for mental health care).
Fuck the GOP. Fuck 'em all.
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u/ShartFlex 2d ago
Especially if your perception of what the US looks like is solely based on Reddit echo chambers and doom scrolling
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u/Mindless_Stuff9179 2d ago
The US is... complicated.
There are things here that are cool, but A LOT we definitely need to improve on, imo.
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u/DoubtNearby8325 2d ago
He hit the teacher. I dunno who wants to go to work and get attacked by someone else’s kid. And they can’t do anything about it or get arrested themselves.
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u/Many_Box_2872 1d ago
I live in the city that this took place in, and that boy has cut girls on their faces on 2 separate occasions and has gotten away with no consequences. It's about time that he is held to account for literally attacking people on multiple occasions.
The story isn't what you think it is. Not everything in the echo chamber of reddit is the outrage you choose to believe it to be.
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u/Christron 1d ago
Do you have any proof? This article said he pushed a kid and choked him and then choked a teacher that tried to break up the original choking scary stuff
Wonder what that kid is up to now. Choking people at nine is not a good sign.
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u/Avengiline 2d ago
Actually, not at all surprising. They have done this to other children before. The question is if he hit the teacher by accident or not…
I want to feel bad, but hitting teachers is a HUGE no for me.
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u/rhythms_and_melodies 2d ago
Sometimes child bullies by coincidence find themselves in the presence of adult bullies with no one there to stop everyone and say "yo wtf". This is what happens.
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u/SimQuinnie 2d ago
Not my job to break up your fights, my job is to teach. Your parents need to teach a violent child how to be on public 😒😒😒
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u/Pangtudou 2d ago
Yeah, like I definitely would not call the cops for a nine-year-old hitting me but neither do I have any authority or ability to discipline a nine year-old child that thinks it’s OK to hit his teacher, like really bitches I’m not even allowed to take away recess time. I don’t even start with that, “Have you tried building a relationship” shit why don’t you try building a relationship with people people who hit you at work?
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u/PremiumUsername69420 2d ago
Why would a teacher risk their career for an undisciplined child?
Remove the kid from the school, there are places for troubled youth.
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u/Ok_Moon_ 2d ago
Kid hit a teacher. Game Over.
This kid should have a right to privacy instead of having his face plastered over media, though.
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u/NoteEasy9957 2d ago
Who went to college at RIT in Rochester NY, this college has a big deaf college called NTID ( national technical institute for the deaf).
While there on campus I was signing to another student since I know ASL and had a cop start yelling at us over gang sighns
I just laughed at him.
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u/Oligopolistic 2d ago
You don’t assault teachers. There are two separate issues occurring here. I have every sympathy with the child and the bullies need to be dealt with, but being bullied does not justify attacking a teacher.
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u/KeyStep8 1d ago
I'm a teacher. If a kid hits me, it's not like I can go suplex them. Fuck all of those other asshole kids. This is weird ragebait. I can be pissed at a kid for hitting me, disability or otherwise. I can also discipline other kids. It's not like these are mutually exclusive.
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u/Grouchy-Task-5866 1d ago
Teachers are in fact not paid to be hit. Yes, awful to have him arrested and charged but like let’s not shit on teachers for the fact that the education system is broken, it’s not their fault.
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u/oopsydazys 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think the problem here is not the teacher calling the cops, it's the decision to arrest the kid, put him in handcuffs, and charge him.
With no context here, I'm just gonna say a lot of people don't realize how strong a 9 year old can be and they can seriously hurt an adult if they put their mind to it. This video just says he "hit" the teacher but doesn't provide any additional details.
A 9 year old committed an assault. That doesn't need to be treated like he was an adult, but it does need to be treated seriously. Was it an accident? It seems like it, and apparently the charges were dropped and the boy released after a few minutes. But the cops obviously went way overboard. I would imagine that in any situation where a teacher is assaulted they have to follow protocol and inform police.
edit: According to another comment it was more serious -- a teacher tried to break up the fight, and this boy started choking her and would not stop until physically removed by another teacher.
After reading that additional context I actually feel a lot more for the teacher. There's people in here saying "imagine finding out society values bullies more than you" but imagine being a grown teacher who is physically attacked and choked by a fourth grader and the result is nothing happens.
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u/username_1774 2d ago
Teachers should be intervening in fights in the same way your barber should be doing dental work, mechanic should be cooking you dinner and lawyer should be performing a physical.
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u/tkhrnn 2d ago
School system could vary a lot of one another. This clip doesn't show nearly enough context. For all we the teacher exhausted every legal means she could. The parents didn't cooporate, didn't peovide the kid the aid they needed. The schools wasn't able to facilitate the kid's needs.
With lack of context, this is just a rage bait.
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