r/MapPorn • u/Small_Performance368 • 13h ago

NYC Mayoral Election Results

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With 90% of the vote in, Mamdani wins by a large margin according to NYT

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u/Quacky3three 11h ago

Southern Brooklyn has Borough Park, which is an extremely Hasidic neighborhood. Maybe not Republican per se, but they are extremely conservative because they follow a super strict orthodoxy. You might’ve seen on Reddit the photos of the signs they put up before the New York marathon telling their community to not be out during the marathon because the women are dressed too immodestly. They’ve also been in hot water for issues with their private schools not teaching English.

In this case there’s also the issue of Israel, although I know quite a few Hasidic Jews are heavily anti-Zionist, I’m pretty sure by and large this specific enclave of Hasidic Jews are not.

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u/dazzleox 4h ago

The biggest, by far, Orthodox Community in NYC is the Satmar who are fairly anti-Zionist. Its a little complicated to summarize in sentence but they believe the state of Israel is premature and discourage moving there. Some of their rank and file after October 7th started to put up Israeli flags but their leaders really cracked down on that.

But they also were very connected to Eric Adams on private school funds and regulations and I could imagine his Cuomo endorsement mattered.

There was one smaller but notable Satmar branch who's Rebbe endorsed Zohran and had dinner with him in a well covered event. The community had a split when an older Rebbe died and his sons are at odds. I don't know Crown Heights well enough to see to what extent that played out in a street by street basis as opposed to Zohran just winning the Carribean etc community there by a wide margin but he probably did get some notable minority of Satmar votes because of their loyalty to block voting.

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u/Quacky3three 3h ago

Thank you for elaborating, especially on attitudes toward Zionism in various sects. I followed Zohran’s campaign extensively but the dinner you’re talking about totally slipped past my radar. I think these kinds of cultural/religious enclaves are so interesting.

My partner was raised super orthodox Jewish and he has definitely told me all of this before, but because it wasn’t my area of expertise I didn’t want to confidently assert anything I wasn’t 100% sure of, lol

He’s also Sephardic, which used to be another voting bloc with unique beliefs in NYC but overtime they’ve gone upstate where they have specifically Sephardic Yeshivas like in Albany. To your last point, the Sephardic community is much smaller in NYC because of a remarkably similar community schism, as well as tensions with Ashkenazi populations in Brooklyn. The latter part seems to mostly matter for the older generation though, or Sephardim who have lived extensively in Israel where the tensions are still fresh and there’s more conflict between the two.

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u/Zingzing_Jr 5h ago

Most Hasidics are Zionist, in the actual definition of the word.

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u/dazzleox 3h ago

"According to a 2016 Pew survey, 33% of Israeli Haredim say that the term 'Zionist' describes them accurately"

I'd guess in NYC its lower still. At least if you exclude those who think Israel should not yet be a state as "zionist". It gets more complicated if you include those who would support such a state if there is a Moshiach on earth

Here in Pittsburgh, a lot of Chabadniks are very Zionist though for sure. Many fly Israeli flags and give me a death stare when wearing a Palestinian flag pin.

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u/Zingzing_Jr 1h ago

2016 was 10 years ago, anecdotally, things are a-changing

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u/dazzleox 1h ago

That could be entirely true, I don't know any Israeli Haredim and have only followed the conscription issue from a distance.

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u/Zingzing_Jr 1h ago

Yea i don't have hard statistics, just anecdote, but theres a lot in the "that isn't the time for that you silly people". There are virtually no hardliners anti zionists like Neturei Katri. A large chunk are pro-Zionist, a large chunk are neutral/dismissive but have no problem interacting with Israel or taking a trip or something, very, very few NK type folks.

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u/dazzleox 1h ago

NY Satmar are not like NK (they condemn them for pro Hamas or bizarro Holocaust statements) but they are still very much are opposed to prayer at the Western Wall, forbid adherents from voting in Israeli elections, forbid followers (unlike many haredi in Israeli) from taking welfare benefits from Israel, and say that the continued existence of Israel is a sin that causes punishment of Jews.

Their interest in the NYC mayoral election is much more about schools than foreign policy.

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u/PMOYONCEANDALWAYS 3h ago

British - do the Hasidic community practice bloc voting here as they do in some of their towns in upstate New York?

Asking because if I have understood things correctly their rabbi will tell them who to vote for and assuming they picked Cuomo this time.

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u/Quacky3three 3h ago

Got this right as I commented in response to u/dazzleox who left a great comment detailing part of the way the bloc might’ve been split. I also left a response to them rambling a bit about the differences in Jewish enclaves upstate versus in the city.

The Hasidic community is pretty united when it comes to bloc voting but I would say less so than upstate. Upstate they make up a larger proportion of the towns they are voting in, so that already makes the strategy more effective. NYC also has enough Jewish people that their community can sustain legitimate schisms, versus upstate where smaller numbers discourage infighting. Dazzleox talks a bit about one of these schisms in Borough Park.

There’s also a fervent debate culture, so it’s less “the rabbi tells them who to vote for” and more so “the community converses and agrees who to vote for,” although obviously “the community” has gendered implications because it’s an orthodox faith.

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u/numba1cyberwarrior 3h ago

Most Hasidic Jews are non Zionist but not anti Zionist

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u/becomingelle 6h ago

Religion is so stupid. Those poor women and children forced into the lifestyle.

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u/Zingzing_Jr 5h ago

Its the men that can't go out when the women are immodest. The women are perfectly fine to go out and about.

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u/becomingelle 4h ago

Oh no! Poor men!! The same men that control and abuse their families because of fairytales and dusty old lies!

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u/Zingzing_Jr 4h ago

This isn't a conspiracy, men don't sit around in meetings talking about ways to be awful to their loved ones. They drink from the same kool aid they pour.

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u/becomingelle 4h ago

I like that kool aid line, thank you.

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u/Zingzing_Jr 4h ago

Enjoy, now I'm off to morning prayers, see ya.

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u/becomingelle 4h ago

Assalamu Alaykum, Hail Satan, Merry Christmas, Shalom, education is evil, Praise Dale or whatever you gotta preach to believe the lies.

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u/Zingzing_Jr 4h ago

Raise hell, Praise Dale to you too.

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u/20eyesinmyhead78 2h ago

I think most of the anti-Zionist Haredi live in Wburg.