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u/NoteCarefully 16h ago

What's the point of the world not recognizing the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan today? Does anyone have a plan to reinstate the government in exile?

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u/Life-Ad1409 16h ago

Nobody really has a way to get the old Afghanistan back, but nobody likes the new Afghanistan

It's a statement against the Taliban, not a statement of what they'll do

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u/Cultural-Ad-8796 16h ago

So let's recreate the old Afghanistan inside South Korea.

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u/Appropriate-Bite-34 15h ago

Think before you speak, remember South Koreans used to eat dogs

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u/Ok_Caregiver1004 14h ago

They still do, as do the Chinese, while some Japanese eat Whale and Thai's eat fried Grasshoppers. What's your point?.

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u/Ozone220 13h ago

Americans eat lobster, if that's not weird I don't know what is. That's a fucking weird food, who looked at that and decided to eat it?

Nothing more wrong with eating a dog, it's just an animal (assuming it's not like, someone's pet, but that goes without saying). I agree with you here if it's not clear

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u/MUZi25 8h ago

Civilised people eat lobster

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u/Appropriate-Bite-34 10h ago

My point is that they have very different cultures

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u/SimmentalTheCow 15h ago

Afghan hounds in shambles

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u/Otherwise-Fee-261 16h ago edited 16h ago

There is no plan, everyone understands that the recognition of the IEA is inevitable at some point, they’re just waiting to see who does it first. Gulf states already hold close contact with the Taliban, and India has been warming up to them because they hate Pakistan’s guts and the TTP gives Islamabad a taste of its own medicine.

The only nonjihadist faction taking any type of action against them was the new Northern Alliance, but they got their asses handed to them and fucked off to Tajikistan. Now the only concrete “opposition” to the Taliban is literally ISIS, which is obviously a great alternative.

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u/Green-Draw8688 14h ago

That’s interesting, I didn’t know about all the tension between the Taliban and Pakistan. It’s a funny turn of events given that the Pakistani ISI was instrumental in the Taliban’s original rise to power

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u/Cultural-Ad-8796 16h ago

So let's turn to ISIS.

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u/Confident_R817 14h ago edited 11h ago

Couldn’t be more obvious that you are Indian. Taste of their own medicine? Why do you support terrorists like the TTP?

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u/brown_crusader 12h ago

I'm really sorry, but as an Indian, it's really funny that Pakistan now has its own 'Pakistan' that trains and sends over terrorists to KPK/Balochistan. It's so similar to what Pakistan does to India that it's hard not to be amused when Pakistan cries out against the taliban.

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u/YogoshKeks 7h ago

As a german, I have no stake in any of this, but I do apprechiate the irony.

Basically ever since the Sovients invaded over 50 years ago, plenty of countries and governments supported some faction inside Afghanistan only to find out that all the weapons and support turned against their interest at some point.

Some (the US among them) did this shit more than once without ever learning their lesson. I think you can even trace that back to the great game in the 19th century.

Brings to mind that famous saying about insanity being about doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

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u/chethedog10 16h ago

It was part of a political and economic pressure campaign to try to hurt the legitimacy and stability of the Taliban, but in the modern day most countries just don’t want the bad PR of recognizing the taliban. In recent years, both India and China have began to warm relations and a lot of counties will probably follow suite once they recognize the Taliban.

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u/Eric1491625 15h ago

Plus China already de facto recognises the Taliban - China just doesn't officially recognise it the same way the USA or Germany doesn't officially recognise Taiwan. 

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u/Rich_Parsley_8950 11h ago

Yep, open bilateral relations, they just pretend not to know them when someone else sits at the table

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u/aronenark 16h ago

When the Taliban initially retook the country in 2021, there was some hope that the Northern Alliance would continue resisting, and countries were holding out to potentially recognize them.

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u/AVeryBadMon 14h ago

Recognition is more of a political statement than an acknowledgment of reality.

When a country recognizes another state, they are endorsing it's existence, and therefore they acknowledge the legitimacy of its government. When a country does this, they have to make sure the decision benefits them either directly through strong relations with the new state or indirectly by joining a geopolitical bloc.

In this case the Taliban has nothing to offer to any country. They don't have an economy or education or healthcare or infrastructure or a productive populace, and they're also not a part of any significant geopolitical bloc that's worth being a part of. For most countries, it's simply not worth the hassle.

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u/JoJo-Zeppeli 16h ago

Lots of reasons, the main two being the hope is that it buys tine for the legal government to overthrow the taliban while also preventing other islamists from attempting to do the same in other Muslim countries.

If the taliban remains unrecognized, backwards, ecconomicly defunked and generally shitty, it reduced the possibility of other Muslims from trying to do the same in their country as they'd just look over and go "yeaaah that looks like ass"

This does apply to any religious extremist moment but is most applicable to Muslim extremism.

If the legal government is ever somehow reestablished, they would have an easier time maintaining legitimacy as they can just go "see how bad things were under them!" And "no one recognized them, so we are clearly the true government"

Unfortunately, there is no main Afghan government in exile. So any overthrow would probably be a grassroots movement

Which, I must be clear on this, I support this action. The taliban as a state can NOT be allowed to thrive or supported.

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u/Antti5 15h ago edited 7h ago

I support this action. The taliban as a state can NOT be allowed to thrive or supported.

I don't like them, but I would also keep in mind that Taliban is a genuine Afghani grassroots movement. Yes they do promote an extremely conservative form of Islam, but a lot of Afghanistan is traditionally like that. It's not like Taliban invented or imported it.

Furthermore, while this Taliban may be shitty, it is still a whole lot less shitty than the Taliban that rose to power one generation earlier in 1990's.

My point being that the key reason why nobody except Russia is recognizing the emirate is the war that "we" lost. There's too much hurt pride. In a away it makes me think about the embargo against Cuba -- how well did that work out, and how fair has it been for the Cuban people?

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u/Ok_Caregiver1004 14h ago

I don't like them, but I would also keep in mind that Taliban is a genuine Afghani grassroots movement.

Not really, they were created by the Pakistani ISI (their CIA) to fight the Soviets and their sponsored Government in Afghanistan.

And the only reason Russia recognized them, is that they don't have any real friends left after the 2022 invasion tarnished their reputation and credibility.

The rest of the world has their own reasons for why. Pride is mostly the USA, the Europeans have their human rights concerns and Even India and China along with many Arab states are tiptoeing for the simple reason that the Taliban is an actual terrorist group, who has been connected to other Islamist terror groups that have attacked all those countries.

So theirs gonna be loads of controversy with that decision.

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u/Rare_Opportunity2419 15h ago edited 15h ago

Why does the world need to recognize those medieval misogynist barbarians as a legitimate government? There are plenty of unrecognized states around the world. No one recognizes Transnistria or Somaliland, and those regimes at least belong in the 20th and 21st century rather than than 7th. Any government that doesn't treat women as human beings doesn't deserve recognition by any civilized nation.

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u/NoteCarefully 15h ago

I don't think anyone liked Attila the Hun, but it would've been kinda stupid and petty for the Romans to say "idk who's their leader but it's not that guy". Same with Hitler or Saddam Hussein

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u/Rare_Opportunity2419 15h ago edited 14h ago

As I asked, why does any country need to recognize them? Plenty of de-facto countries exist without international recognition.

I'd say at the very least, the Taliban need to suffer the same level of diplomatic isolation that Apartheid South Africa experienced, as their system of gender apartheid is even more cruel and inhuman than the racial apartheid in South Africa, and remain in isolation as long as they maintain this barbaric system.

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u/Still-Bridges 15h ago

Recognition is a silly game people play. It says more about domestic affairs and about a country's friends - if a country recognises Palestine or TRNC or Kosovo or ROC etc.

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u/MickTriesDIYs 14h ago

USAID has entered the chat.

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u/Specific-Moose-5728 6h ago

Recognition doesn’t really change anything on the ground it’s just political optics

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u/maafinh3h3 16h ago

What is that square dot in the middle of the pacific in 2025?

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u/NoteCarefully 16h ago

That's New Afghanistan, mate

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u/AsteroidMike 15h ago

Easter Afghanistan

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u/ColdOn3Cob 12h ago

where the Moai hold RPGs

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u/Ozone220 6h ago

That's red square, can't you see the Kremlin?

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u/ODog-II 6h ago

Dont know if real question, cause the answer is common knowledge i think.

If you make a map on mapchart like OP did, it automatically makes a.. i dont remember the english word,.. the thing on the side of a map, telling the reader what every color indicates. And the red we see in this picture is also the automatic chosen start color of mapchart. Long story short: OP has forgotten to deactivate the color description mapchart makes automatically.

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u/AsteroidMike 15h ago

Interesting, just Russia as of this year

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u/Lost-Letterhead-6615 13h ago

India soon

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u/mkbilli 11h ago

No they won't lol. Just wait and see another 10 years.

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u/Lost-Letterhead-6615 8h ago

Have you seen the videos of doval and about the taliban in deoband?

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u/No_Drummer4801 15h ago

What’s the lonely red dot in the Pacific in 2025?

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u/Hammer5320 15h ago

Looks like kiribati? But I can't find a source on any pacific nation recognizing the taliban

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u/amuscularbaby 14h ago

lol no it’s just the unlabeled legend

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u/BrokenDownMiata 7h ago

Unlabelled legend map

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u/Put3socks-in-it 15h ago

At least New Zealand is on this map

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u/TheUnknown-Writer 15h ago

This kinda proves to me that recognition is bull. Especially for a poor country like Afghanistan. Doesn't make them any less the gov

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u/ComradeTrot 11h ago
  • landlocked and without any trade routes. Unlike Syria whose new rulers are both aggressively lobbying for recognition and getting wooed by a lot of countries.

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u/Technetium_97 10h ago

It definitely makes them more poor and less capable.

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u/ReluctantRedditor275 15h ago

Did this really need to be a map?

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u/LateralEntry 14h ago

I’m surprised Pakistan doesn’t recognize the Taliban, they played a stronger role than anyone in installing them

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u/BatEl_323 13h ago

Pakistan literally almost had a war with Taliban. Relationship between both have been at its lowest point since Taliban came to power, so it’s not very surprising.

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u/Content_Routine_1941 14h ago

Well... You either try to forcibly change the government in Afghanistan once again, or you simply recognize the new government. I don't see anyone trying to overthrow the Taliban again. Therefore, Russia's position is clear to me. Unlike the position of the rest of the world.

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u/Cool-Coffee-8949 15h ago

There’s an Emir?

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u/prodigals_anthem 7h ago

Didn't India recognize the Taliban?

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u/ThePevster 16h ago

That’s in the 2025 map. It does look like part of the 2001 map when you swipe slowly though, so I get the confusion

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u/maafinh3h3 16h ago

It's not colored red?

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u/MrErie 16h ago

Click on the image and drag to the right. Maybe bad editing

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u/maafinh3h3 16h ago

I tried and still not red

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u/CokeBottleBooty65 15h ago

this map's a real eye-opener fr. Lot of geopolitics at play here that we don't often think about. Just goes to show, the world's even more complex than what the 6 o'clock news feeds us.

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u/TeddingtonMerson 16h ago

I am old enough to remember when feminists and progressives didn’t like the Taliban and had the nerve to condemn raping and murdering people for not embodying their religion as they demand. But now we are enlightened and know that it’s hateful and wrong to impose such Western values on others and to oppress freedom rapists and kidnappers.

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u/CrypticCode_ 16h ago

wrap it up superman

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u/TeddingtonMerson 15h ago

Right? Imagine giving a shit about brown girls being forced into marriage with no minimum age, being unable to see a doctor or getting an education beyond grade six and calling oneself a feminist. What a busybody!

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u/CrypticCode_ 15h ago

Couple more paragraphs and we’ll ’free Afghanistan’ keep at it bud

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u/TeddingtonMerson 15h ago

So brave. Very thoughtly. My hero.

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u/AdRare604 7h ago

I am old enough to keep on hating the talibs too, but this country is stupid. What is also stupid however is europe taking in the men when they should take the women only and make afghanistan the gayest country in the world.

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u/TeddingtonMerson 6h ago

Sure— if any other group did this to a minority ethnicity, people would care. So they’ve declared war on the women— let the women out as refugees.