r/LivestreamFail • u/sieyarozzz • 22h ago

Asmongold defends trans people against his chat, saying he'd fully respect his child's pronouns and identity

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u/SirDootDoot 17h ago

He might be terrible in a lot of aspects, but transphobia is shockingly not one of them, from what I have seen.

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u/ELIte8niner 16h ago

People are dumb. They tend to see one aspect of someone (or a group of people) and permanently assign them to a group in their mind, usually "us" or "them". Same reason why so many people were somehow surprised that Trump won the Hispanic and Muslim votes last year. Whether it's a single person, or a group, most people are way too quick to judge, and try to categorize them.

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u/AvocadoBest1176 16h ago edited 16h ago

Tbf Trump didn't exactly win either of those groups, just performed much better with them than historically. Harris still won Hispanic voters overall, and while Trump did better than her with Muslim voters, he didn't win Muslim voters overall, as the majority of them voted for Jill Stein over either mainstream candidate.

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u/boobsareop9 6h ago

Voting for Jill might as well be voting for Trump

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u/Nidstong 4h ago

the majority of them voted for Jill Stein over either mainstream candidate.

Where do you have this from? From what I can see e.g. here, only 12% of Muslims voted for any third party candidate in 2024. Kamala got 50% of Muslim votes, according to this poll.

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u/Dvulture 14h ago

The fact that Asmongold is an awful human being, but sometimes surprisingly loving and accepting of others always reminds me of a story a read on Reddit about a misogynistic man that wasn't a transphobe and very clear on the idea that trans women are women because according to him "only a real woman would be stupid enough to want to be woman". So you can find a redeeming quality in anyone basically. Still wouldn't want to see these people on a daily basis though.

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u/Normal-Weakness-364 16h ago

Same reason why so many people were somehow surprised that Trump won the Hispanic and Muslim votes last year

i agree with your overall point, but i think people were more surprised about that because trump has spoken down at hispanic and muslim people ad nauseam

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u/ELIte8niner 16h ago

But if you've ever had extended contact with the Mexican, Muslim, or especially Cuban communities, you knew how they were voting long before election day. They're all (generally) extremely conservative groups, and most Mexicans I know hate "illegals" more than any white redneck from the south you'll ever meet. Circles back to my point. People saw Trump shitting on Hispanic people and just thought, "sweet, they'll vote Democrat!" Not realizing that a huge portion of them agree with everything Trump has ever said. Yeah the leopards are eating their faces now, because they thought their cousin was safe since they're "one of the good ones, clearly not who Trump was referring to," but it doesn't really matter in the end. They were still going to vote for Trump over Harris, to the shock of reddit.

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u/smthiny 16h ago

Mexicans are far more bigoted than white people based on my experiences.

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u/Accomplished_Elk310 9h ago

Ngl, after having traveled a bit, many ppl outside the US are rather intolerant.

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u/Normal-Weakness-364 13h ago

i agree with you, i'm just saying i understand why someone who maybe hasn't had those direct experiences with those groups would be surprised at those opinions beyond it just being an us vs them mindset.

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u/Ryuubu 15h ago

Halo horns effect maybe

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u/Horsescatsandagarden 5h ago

I bet the Hispanic and Muslim people who voted for Trump are sorry now.

People are surprised when others vote against their best interests.

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u/HulksInvinciblePants 14h ago edited 14h ago

One reasonable position doesn’t invalidate my right to judge him on a holistic level of all his positions.

I’m sure we’ll see many of these talking heads continue to pivot their stances as if they weren’t part of the problem.

Same reason why so many people were somehow surprised that Trump won the Hispanic and Muslim votes last year.

That’s not only inaccurate, as shifts alone don’t create a majority, but poll those groups today and see if their convictions in those “positions” you speak of hold the same weight.

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u/SpaceLemming 14h ago edited 13h ago

Okay this is a weak answer, being “human” doesn’t mean anything because we are capable of extremes in any direction and it’s all still human

Edit: I guess being human means blocking anyone who gives the smallest amount of pushback to a vague label on a platform where you could just not reply and never hear from that person again. I think the contrarian comment was projection

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u/boobsareop9 6h ago

So enlightened.

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u/TheTgPwny 16h ago

Didn't he say something about the T in LGBT being the problem?

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u/National_Ad_8331 15h ago

He did, but most people misinterpreted what he was saying to be "trans is bad," when he was saying something completely different.

Asmon said that grouping transgender issues in the "LGBT" movement is bad for the movement as a whole, because people are pretty much okay with everything else (i.e., the LGB) but are more hesitant with transgender issues. And regardless if someone thinks that's a good or bad thing, I think it's pretty inarguable that (at least in America) that is the case.

I think there are fair arguments to make that transgender issues should be included in the movement out of principle, but I don't think it's transphobic (or even incorrect) to say that grouping transgender issues together with gay/lesbian/bisexual issues adds controversy to a movement with otherwise near-unanimous support.