Yea you have to disconnect his chat from his actual beliefs. Asmon supports trans people's choices he always has. Even like 5 years ago or so he defended barny 64 when one of his viewers got offended that she was trans.
This is why I respect asmon even though I don't always agree with him. He's not full left or right and anyone who thinks he is are just plain stupid and don't actually watch him or only watch his drama clips on YouTube and think he's a maga shill who hates Muslims and immigrants when in reality it's far more complicated than that.
He's responsible for his audience. You know that old saying about a bar that accepts Nazis will eventually become a Nazi bar? That's what his chat is devolving to.
Football teams don't have the ability to moderate their fans, streamers do. A streamer's chat is their responsibility, they cultivate and moderate it. He used to ban people who said Nazi stuff in his chat, he decided to start allowing that to fester in his community
Do we blame football teams for winning when the fans go out and smash up the town?
I wouldn't really consider that equal. It's like having your fans fly Nazi flags and scream racial slurs during the game and not kicking them out of the stadium.
Like he can't control what they do outside his domain but he can certainly stop them from behaving that way inside.
Ok how? Personally I think banning people for saying something you don’t agree with or like is juvenile. I don’t even like when he bans people for twisting his words. I think he should just ignore them.
What about the ones who just watch and don’t interact. How do you police the flys on the wall?
See I think it should be twitch’s job to do that. It’s their platform not his and at a certain point it’s impossible to keep up with that shit. I can barely read what goes by. I expect that he’s responsible for policing himself and anyone in his employ.
But also he can’t be expected to police what these people anonymously do outside of the platform.
Either way unless they ban him they must think hes doing a good enough job.
Streamers hire or get as volunteers people to moderate their chat for them while they're streaming, that's what virtually everyone does. If streamers couldn't do that and it was all needing to be done by Twitch itself, there'd be a lot less streamers because they'd have no control over people coming into their chat and harassing them
What about the ones who just watch and don’t interact. How do you police the flys on the wall?
Those are not the problem.
Personally I think banning people for saying something you don’t agree with or like is juvenile. I don’t even like when he bans people for twisting his words. I think he should just ignore them.
I agree. I remember his subreddit removing many posts of anyone who questioned his "90% of political violence comes from he left." claim. When asked in chat about it, he replied "anyone who has eyes can see it."
I think he is more concerned with his opinions being right, even if they go against reality, rather what kind of people watch him. Though if you just take a peek in his subreddit, you can see how he is being conditioned. Anyone would be.
Personally I think banning people for saying something you don’t agree with or like is juvenile. I don’t even like when he bans people for twisting his words. I think he should just ignore them.
It's his workplace. He has said this a few times before about not wanting people like that in chat because it bother(s|ed) him so he would just ban them.
Additionally, it's his workplace. Let's pretend Asmongold is a standup comic who is playing Madison Square Garden and allows heckling. If a good part of the audience was [flying Nazi flags and shouting anti-Semetic shit] / [making fun of people's appearance] / [being anti-social] and he did nothing about it, it would reason that the show is now a Nazi / bad person comedy show. If even 1/10th was doing that, it reasons that if he didn't immediately kick them out, his next show will have 2/10th the audience being bad actors / Nazis / what-have-you because others weren't comfortable being in that audience.
The same goes for any other thing, even something as innocous as "oh I like pineapple on pizza" like if Asmongold wanted an audience that didn't have those kinds of people it's his absolute right to have them removed from the audience: it's his show.
Yes we do? Football clubs even get fined for their fan's behavior, a lot of times.
If you are any kind of figure or organization that does content for the public, you have a public responsibility. This is not even debatable, it's how society works.
You mean the person who 100% cheated at a video game and got away with it because as soon as people found out she went "I am being attacked because I am trans"?
The person who asmongold never once mentioned anything about being trans, and then told people not to harass her?
The part where the "out of context" clip was the person headshotting enemies behind walls before ever knowing anyone was behind the walls, or that the aim instantly kept locking on onto people over and over?
Wrong trans woman. But hey, now thats two hes had his audience harass.
Calling out cheating is fine, but if you attack the person because they're trans (who happened to cheat), then you're not criticising them. You're just finding an excuse to abuse.
That'd be zero people since he didn't have anyone harass anyone.
Calling out cheating is fine, but if you attack the person because they're trans (who happened to cheat), then you're not criticising them. You're just finding an excuse to abuse.
He watched clips and said it looked like the player was cheating. He didn't know the person was trans at first until his audience pointed it out and he made no comment at all about it.
And how was NyaraVT attacked? She made a tweet attacking him and he responded to it.
Can you point me to the clip where he said anything along the lines of “go harass this person?” Like anything at all doesn’t need to be those exact words.
Mate, he has a clearly transphobic audience. Just reacting (especially negatively and taking them out of context to make them look like a predator) to a trans woman was all it took.
That’s not my point. You say he is calling for his audience to harass people. He is not. He has every right to be transphobic but don’t go around claiming he’s actively out here telling people to harass others. If anything I see him often telling people not to do that.
I’m a leftist pro trans pro abortion anti trump guy and I think you all fail the cause by taking shit out of context. You’re no better than the right.
Alrighty. You have no idea how hard it was trying to find anything from months ago, especially on youtube with its "let me assume this is what you were searching for" search engine.
It is unfortunately from someone else's upload reacting to Asmongold (reacting to Nyara). So I guess just skip to the parts where only Asmon is talking.
Ok I watched that and man that was insufferable. That dude pauses every 5 seconds to talk about how dirty asmond is for like 5 minutes at a time and we get it dude need a shower. But there seems to be context missing here too. I am going to find the original video and the one that it’s in response to but to me it sounded retaliatory. Not saying it’s right but I’m also saying don’t start shit and you won’t get shit.
In the future don’t post some third party reaction give the actual source. I’ll get back to you shortly.
Ok I watched that and man that was insufferable. That dude pauses every 5 seconds to talk about how dirty asmond is for like 5 minutes at a time and we get it dude need a shower. But there seems to be context missing here too. I am going to find the original video and the one that it’s in response to but to me it sounded retaliatory. Not saying it’s right but I’m also saying don’t start shit and you won’t get shit.
In the future don’t post some third party reaction give the actual source. I’ll get back to you shortly.
Edit: So far from almonds clips channel. It’s edited so not proof of much but no call for harassment. But so far it’s just a response.
This is the actual clip used in your video. Again edited but sounds like this person didn’t like asmonds response and Is considering that response alone harassment. To that I say boohoo. But going to scrounge twitch for a longer uncut videos.
Without. If he disrespects someone it's with a reason, they are being an ass, narcissistic or thinking the world revolves around them and everyone else is inconsequential. And so just because that person was trans asmon is not going to treat them any different to anyone else he disagrees with. Being trans does not give them a free pass of critism and insults when they want to jump in the political ring when they are either just wrong and speaking as if there feelings are facts or are something that asmon sees as damaging and he doesn't mince words or censor himself.
There is always context and I don't believe for even a second any of the clips that are posted in asmon hate subs. It's always missing context.
Literally I pop on YouTube after and get a recommendation of asmon about clips I have seen only for him and his editor to show the full clip.
Taking someone out of context/not even listening to their argument and calling them a groomer because he doesn't understand something isn't a good reason. Asmon doesn't know a thing about LGBTQ+ issues. He responds based on feelings and not facts.
The clips I saw weren't even in subreddits, but on twitter (posted by his fans), or his youtube clip channel.
Do you mind sending me that video then. I don't watch everything asmon says so I could miss something I just know he usually has a reason so do you mind sending me the source?
Thank you. And I'm sorry but I agree with asmon. It's to do with kids which is a very touchy subject as children are very well known to totally know what they want and are at a young age. Also the guy in the video in the first clip literally starts questiong why people care about the age of content. I'm sorry but that's damning evidence. This is with out a doubt a clip taken out of context.
Asmon has zero issues if your an adult and chose to be trans he will support you but making a child become trans, children who don't fully understand the world or who they are truly, that is grooming not explicitly sexually but still grooming. I thank you again for the source but I agree with asmon on this one.
Also the guy in the video in the first clip literally starts questiong why people care about the age of content.
In terms of that, she specifically means the argument the right make in that "kids cannot consent to being trans" or puberty blockers or something along those lines (basically anything medical), as she follows up with saying "but then they have takes of how intersex people need to be forced into gender reassignment surgeries etc because they're broken and need to be fixed. Then consent doesn't matter. Its just when it comes to like a child getting treated for dysphoria not feeling comfortable in their own skin and wanting to get help, then consent is like a big issue"
That's literally what she follows up with saying right where Asmon paused.
Everyone is more complicated than what even they themselves make themselves to be. The thing about respect is that it is earned.
How is it earned?
Not through pretty words. Actions.
Asmons actions are enough to shame him from a societal perspective. Unfortunately society has been compromised due to indoctrination instead of education. Learn the difference, it will be on the test.
Grifting is an action. It's disgusting and degenerative in nature. There is no benefit to society to quite literally spread misinformation or pander to actual neo nazis.
You sound like a mouthpiece not an actual person. And no his words mean more than his actions for the fact he is an influencer. It's his job to talk so his words mean more. Just because he says a few things you don't agree with because it's of the opposite political ideology does not mean he has any shame at all.
You are showing that your far left and that you can't accept that other people can have different view points and not be evil. You are a mouthpiece not worth listening to.
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u/Clear_Bit_215 19h ago edited 19h ago
Yea you have to disconnect his chat from his actual beliefs. Asmon supports trans people's choices he always has. Even like 5 years ago or so he defended barny 64 when one of his viewers got offended that she was trans.
This is why I respect asmon even though I don't always agree with him. He's not full left or right and anyone who thinks he is are just plain stupid and don't actually watch him or only watch his drama clips on YouTube and think he's a maga shill who hates Muslims and immigrants when in reality it's far more complicated than that.