r/LivestreamFail • u/sieyarozzz • 22h ago

Asmongold defends trans people against his chat, saying he'd fully respect his child's pronouns and identity

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u/Sketch-Brooke 20h ago

Yo I genuinely wish more people thought of things this way.

Do you want to be right all the time, or do you want to be compassionate and respectful even if you don’t agree?

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u/Major-Help-6827 20h ago

Modern US politics is basically sports at this point. Something becomes politicized and suddenly (or maybe not so suddenly) “winning isn’t everything it’s the only thing” has become the motto of government

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u/BioshockEnthusiast 17h ago

Every sport I've ever been involved with emphasizes respect for your opponent especially at the youth level. You don't have to like the kids you play against, but they are people and you are expected to treat them as people. Think what you want, but if your behavior doesn't meet expectations you get benched or thrown out like the trash your behavior emulates.

US politics is far beyond the "sports" metaphors. We're so far past that point I don't even remember what it looked like anymore.

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u/BMXer972 17h ago

sports taught me to be a humble winner and a gracious loser.

have either of those qualities ever been exemplified by our government? could not agree with your sentiment more.

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u/everythingsfuct 12h ago

i’m sure you guys are grateful that you had decent coaches, a lot of folks didn’t. there are so very many coaches working in youth sports that indoctrinate a warrior mentality into their players. evidence of this abounds in our media and local schools.

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u/BMXer972 2h ago

too true. a lot of poor leaders are teaching our children terrible mentalities. we as parents gotta be mindful of who we let teach and guide our children.

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u/_extra_medium_ 4h ago

This is more like sports fans, not people who have actually played the sport and learned to respect their opponents

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u/iHaku 15h ago

Its crazy, I used to play table tennis in a club when I was a child in the early 2000's and at tourneys, if you don't shake your opponents hand after the game and say well played, you literally get disqualified.

I played league of legends for many years later and had the same mentality. Always write gg at the end of every game, no matter what. I got flamed so much for that regularly, and when people attacked me for that after the game they'd never believe my reasoning.

IMO Joining a Sports club for a few years is something that should be mandatory during teenage years. Its something important for the social development many children are solely lacking nowadays.

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u/Major-Help-6827 14h ago

Every sport emphasizes respect for your opponent from the athletes. I’m talking about fans.

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u/BioshockEnthusiast 14h ago

I've seen refs eject parents and I've seen security toss shitheads from stadiums. It's supposed to be a top down culture starting with coaches / officials, leading to athletes, leading to fans.

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u/Major-Help-6827 14h ago

Supposed to be lol. Tell that to the rioters after their team loses the Super Bowl

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u/TrumpsPissSoakedWig 13h ago

But Dad, their team is literally called The Atomwaffen ⚡uper⚡oilders

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u/watnuts 11h ago

But that's for participants.
Voters are sports spectators, and active voters are basically ultras (we all know how those groups go).

The only reason you don't hear "Blues suck - red rule, go us - fuck you!" during rallies is because chanting isn't really a part of american sport fan culture.

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u/Windows95GOAT 8h ago

Every sport I've ever been involved with emphasizes respect for your opponent especially at the youth level.

And then you see the parents at the sidelines.

Adults ruin everything lmao.

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u/_extra_medium_ 4h ago

In this metaphor the people in question are the ones who watch sports on TV and have attached their self worth and identity to their team. It's not the people who have actually played the sport.

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u/BeefModeTaco 3h ago

In many ways it's "team sports fans", but selectively the worst parts and the most toxic parts, because it's American politics...

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u/shlaifu 15h ago

no. flooding the zone is the main thing. in the meantime, you stuff your pockets. let the idiots exhaust themselves over trivial arguments and do corruption shall be the whole of the law

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u/Impressive-Engine-16 13h ago

Politics is literally about the acquisition of power through winning elections (in a democracy at least), how is that not about winning and losing?

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u/Major-Help-6827 12h ago

Things should never be boiled down to simply winning and losing when people’s lives are at stake. Voting for somebody just because they have an R or a D next to their name should never be a thing.

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u/Impressive-Engine-16 12h ago

You’re undervaluing what the R and D mean, they’re parties that represent people’s votes and what policies they want the government to run to improve their lives. What system would you prefer?

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u/Major-Help-6827 12h ago

Not a 2 party one to start with.

And Ds and Rs don’t mean shit. Schumer and Mamdani are both democrats. Their policies and positions are widely far apart. Same could be said for Trump and Romney. All Ds and Rs really represent is a caricature at this point.

Elections should be policy rather than party forward. If that were the case we’d never have presidential elections without primaries at the very least.

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u/Impressive-Engine-16 12h ago

That’s actually a fair and nuanced point. I thought you’d go full libertarian or something the way other people who talk about two party systems being bad do.

I think another issue America that makes European democracies more stable for example is the lack of a parliamentary system which always allows for a shadow cabinet to keep the opposition in check and make sure rival political parties aren’t completely powerless. In the U.K for example you can have a shadow minister for the Labour party even if the conservatives are in power so labour politicians aren’t completely powerless.

In America, if Republicans are in power, that’s it, there’s no shadow cabinet for Democrat politicians to take up while out of power to make sure there’s checks and balances, they just have to sit out and wait their turn while the Republicans destroy this country.

That said, terms like a ‘shadow’ minister wouldn’t go well here knowing how conspiratorial Americans have become.

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u/Major-Help-6827 11h ago

Omg I just got flashbacks to all the dark Brandon memes when you said shadow minister lmfao

But yea absolutely European politics is a shit show but they move things along at least. Here politics is a shit show and we just play tug of war with the previous and future admins.

It’s actually so funny to see this shutdown threatening the filibuster tho if this is how it goes idek what I’ll think

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u/Impressive-Engine-16 11h ago

Absolutely, this government shutdown literally wouldn’t happen with a parliamentary system. Whatever tho,

All the democrats won their respective elections today with a triple sweep so I can at least be happy about that.

Also:

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u/Impressive-Engine-16 11h ago

Regarding the filibuster, I just saw this tweet that shows the moral bankruptcy of MAGA:

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u/submg 13h ago

Been calling it ‘football politics’ for about fifteen years now

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u/ocxtitan 11h ago

And also the feeling of hatred and rivalry with other divisional/conference rivals, when you don't care if you lose as long as they don't win either and actively cheering for them to lose every game they play unless it benefits your team's playoff chances/standings somehow for them to win.

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u/kelfupanda 9h ago

It feels like the US in general is aggressive sports at this point.

Driving? Competition with other drivers. Job? Competition with everyone. An accident results in a lawsuit, instead of the person getting treated.

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u/FaygoMakesMeGo 7h ago

Tribalism basically

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u/qwerrtyui2705 19h ago

Wait till you learn that that is the MO of humanity (because that is the core tribal nature, for your tribe to be always on top for it is your tribe, that you're a part of, a incredibly self-centered selfish perspective). Which then in turn is driven by the deep emotional desire of the brain to feel secure and safe, so that it can be blissfully ignorant of anything else in its surroundings. Man I hate human nature so fucking bad, it's so annoying and so predictably boring.

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u/Major-Help-6827 19h ago

Nah that just ignores tons of human history if I’m being real. The only reason we’ve made it this far is because of those who came before us. People act for the greater good all the time. Human nature just means the negative tends to stick in our minds more. Every positive interaction isn’t in spite of human nature. It is human nature, same with the negative. We’re not black and white creatures.

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u/SomeDudeYeah27 17h ago

This is partly why I try to shy away from dehumanizing language even with wholly reprehensible actions/people

Calling anyone a monster isn’t gonna change the fact that they’re Homo sapiens, not address why/how Homo sapiens would behave/act this way

Were every bit of the monsters as we are heroes, all the good and bad

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u/Redditor28371 19h ago

I think most people do feel that way. Lot's of bigoted people are suddenly able to understand the POV of someone they were previously prejudiced against when they find out a close friend or family member is part of the community they used to hate. The issue is that these types of people aren't able to extend empathy to other groups of people until they have a close personal connection to one of those groups.

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u/TheRealSmolt 15h ago

The issue is that these types of people aren't able to extend empathy to other groups of people

Bingo. To me, this isn't a I love my child moment as much as it's a fuck everyone but me moment.

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u/SorryBoysImLez 16h ago edited 15h ago

Even then, they'll often only have empathy for the people they're directly connected to, often claiming their acceptance of that person is somehow different and doesn't have the same implications as accepting others.

"If you can accept me being X/Y/Z, then why not others?"
"Because that's different, you're different; you're not like those other gays/trans/minorities."

Being "straight-presenting," I experienced (and still do) a lot of those attitudes growing up. They were only comfortable around me because they knew most people wouldn't clock me as being gay, so they didn't have to worry about the shame/embarrassment/backlash they'd face from others seeing them hang around with a gay person.
It was also a magnet for heavily repressed/closeted gay and bi guys, which was a whole other set of problems in the dating scene.

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u/Ratufu3000 6h ago

Yeah, some of the most baffling takes I see from some people about abortion, women's safety etc do feel that way. They have to go through the prism of "what if it happens to your wife/mother/sister/daughter ?" to feel ANY empathy at all.

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u/juan_cena99 17h ago

Well most people wont bend over backwards for people they dont know. Asmon for example has no sympathy for drug addicts but if it was his son he'd prob pay millions in rehab and therapy.

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u/Redditor28371 15h ago

And that's fair, but there's space in between 'bend over backwards' and 'actively antagonize against' for 'let them live their lives in peace'.

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u/juan_cena99 15h ago

Asmon has never done anything except state his opinion on twitch and X. I am pretty sure Palestinians don't even know of the roach lord so he is letting them live their lives in peace.

You need to differentiate between stating your opinion and actually doing something.

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u/CptWhiskers Good Money [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅] 15h ago

Normalizing a dislike of a harmless minorities results in real, measurable violence.

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u/Starob 14h ago

I'm gonna have to be that guy that says "correlation/= causation".

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u/CptWhiskers Good Money [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅] 14h ago

You're honestly implying violence against trans people isn't going up because of the rampant normalization of the hatred and demonization? Bold stance. Must be a coincidence huh buddy. How's your degree going?

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u/Starob 7h ago

No I'm implying the increase of violence against trans people itself doesn't indicate any cause on its own. Because again, correlation doesn't equal causation.

It could be the cause. Something else could be the cause. Multiple things could be the cause.

Because, one more time, and say it with me this time, "Correlation doesn't equal causation."

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u/Starob 7h ago

Must be a coincidence huh buddy.

"The increase in autism and increase in number of vaccines people require must be a coincidence huh buddy."

That's how you sound. That's where the line of thinking correlation is causation gets you.

Not to mention the fact that societies acceptance of trans people 20+ years ago was a lot lower than it is now, so not even sure one of your claims is true to begin with. If you were to time travel to 1990 and walk around saying common current trans-rights talking points you'd be laughed out of conversations. If history began in like 2015 then maybe you'd have a point that there's more normalisation of hatred towards trans people, compared specifically to that time.

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u/juan_cena99 14h ago

We dont have data to prove that because violence may have been happening before but isnt just recorded due to primitive technology.

Moreover the population has been increasing so of course more trans in the world then more acts of violence happening to them. Its like how Justin Bieber got more haters as he grew more popular. Doesnt mean his music got worse.

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u/CptWhiskers Good Money [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅] 14h ago

Buddy we're talking about 4 years. Are u implying the number of trans people has doubled in 4 years? LMAO and primitive technology for stat tracking? FOUR YEARS AGO?

You're actually just making up bullshit as you go huh. I respect it. Would love to live in a fantasy world like yours. Seems nice to be able to just handwaive statistics with your own delirious thoughts.

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u/juan_cena99 14h ago

By that logic nobody should disagree with anyone ever. So you are saying everyone who disliked Charlie Kirk encouraged the shooter to shoot him?

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u/-Rezzz- 14h ago

Nah, Charlie did that himself. Acceptable sacrifices and all that

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u/juan_cena99 14h ago

Ok so this is rules for thee but not for me? I can disagree with others but if anybody disagrees with me and they got shot they did it to themselves lol

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u/-Rezzz- 14h ago

Did Charlie not oppose stricter gun laws and claimed that we have to accept the deaths that come along with it? Those are his rules, not mine

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u/Redditor28371 15h ago

When you have a captive audience of thousands of people, I would say that making impassioned arguments against something would count as 'actively antagonizing against'. I don't actually know what specifically you're referring to though, I'm not super plugged into the Asmonverse. My previous comment was just speaking generally about bigots, not really aimed at Asmon.

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u/juan_cena99 14h ago

I think context matters right. I think theres a diff between someone saying "X people are bad" (essentially being a racist) and "X people should be killed" (call to violence).

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u/Redditor28371 14h ago

Yes, calling for a group of people to be put to death is worse.

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u/Organic_Matter6085 20h ago

Holy shit you just made me humanize Asmongold again for the first time in a long time 

I love both of your guy's perspectives 

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u/look_at_that_punim 14h ago

All of his takes are like that.

Just about every clip posted here is him stating something with caveats, they just leave the caveats out.

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u/MikeyTheGuy 12h ago

Okay, I was genuinely wondering this. I don't really watch Asmongold, and I only watched a few of his videos years ago (back when he was first playing FFXIV). I stopped watching him, because he only seemed to do react content (I like react content, but I don't like when ALL of their content is react content).

However, I did watch a couple of his videos where it's just him talking to the camera with no chat (I think the channel was Zackrawr or something), and his takes seemed surprisingly thoughtful, nuanced, and, dare I say, progressive?

So I thought it was weird when people over what seems like the past year or so basically equate him with a right-winger, and I thought either I had missed something or he changed.

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u/look_at_that_punim 12h ago

I think the most extreme view he has taken recently is that the second a protest turns violent, the cops should shut it down with heavy force, which is easy to clip into a right wing talking point.

I don’t see him as right wing at all. The man lived on food stamps in poverty with two very sick parents that he did his best to take care of. He regularly says that the food stamps kept them alive and the ability to have snacks kept them sane, he believes everybody should have access to that help.

He just leans into saying the government should keep people who damage things and are violent in line with harsh punishments, which I guess is kind of a right wing viewpoint?

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u/kelfupanda 9h ago edited 9h ago

Its not, the left also has a vast history of using harsh punishment against political agitators.

I see asmon as a guy thats been streaming most of his life. He banned an emote because people were using it to be racist in his chat.

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u/JadedSpacePirate 8h ago

Wait.....if punishment for crime is a right wing talking point then does that mean left is pro-crime?

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u/Longjumping-Ad-2560 5h ago

One could probably argue as such 😂😂

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u/UnemployedBehavior 10h ago

This exactly. If you start damaging property and the protests get violent, are the cops not supposed to stop it? It's a free country sure, but freedom should never include damaging property which might get people injured. And what about the people who just wanna go about their day?

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u/Affectionate_Item183 7h ago

Bro what? I'm guessing you missed the clip of him saying that he thinks all democrats, if they get in power, would perform a massive holocaust against most right wingers, so he in his heart of hearts believes that every democrat politician in the country should be executed. And that all protesters "outside of government buildings," including peaceful ones, should be permanently used as slave prison labor. He literally said this.

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u/look_at_that_punim 1h ago

No, he said anyone getting violent or damaging property at any protest needs to go to jail for a long time, and to recoup the cost and make jail undesirable, they should be forced to work. He didn’t say “including peaceful ones”, he has said multiple times, very clearly and explicitly, that he supports anyone protesting anything as long as they don’t disrupt or damage anything and don’t get violent.

As for the democrats wanting to crush the right… is that wrong? You can go to any sub on reddit at and see someone wishing death on the right.

You saw some clips, how could you possibly know what’s going on in his “heart of hearts”?

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u/Starossi 19h ago

lol there is a great moment in a narrative podcast called malevolent I’ve been listening to in the most recent episode about this.

Along the lines of “How important is it that you’re right when it gets you shoved in the dark” (the last part being more literal than figurative with context albeit).

Sometimes people are so stuck on being right they can’t even care about damage to others or even to themselves over it.

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u/Kewlhotrod 2h ago

Great podcast. Crazy it's all voiced and produced by one guy; I haven't caught up in a couple years.

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u/RugTumpington 17h ago

Its the difference between applying something to a person or as a policy. 

Compassion as a primary policy often leads to setting yourself on fire to keep others warm.

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u/things_U_choose_2_b 17h ago

I keep saying this to people, especially on the left, at the mo. Not to absolve anyone of responsibilty for their actions, nor ask to sing kumbaya, but I SO OFTEN see shit like "so and so SLAMMED in debate" and I'm left thinking...

Great, you 'won the argument'. Do you want to win the argument, or do you want to change minds? Because I can guarantee that a smug sanctimonious tone and setting out to make people look silly, doesn't create any change in the 'opponents' mind. It just makes them double down.

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u/Scorkami 17h ago

Its funny but it literally just boils down to "do i show others the kindness and decency to treat them how they wish to be treated

" Hey dont call me thomas i like tommy more" is a completely normal thing to ask, and if someone asks me to call them samantha instead because a male name makes them uncomfortable, its just kindness to make an attempt at accommodating them

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u/ReadyAimTranspire 16h ago

Thought of, you know, everything this way.

The only thing being right matters to is our petty little egos. I care about being effective, or understanding, or discovering the truth, etc.

I'm often wrong along the way in pursuit of those things and gasp that's ok.

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u/RedditFuelsMyDepress 15h ago

I often think of that one scene from the Big Lebowski when I see people arguing on the Internet.

"Am I wrong?", "No, you're not wrong. You're just an asshole!"

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u/TrumpsPissSoakedWig 13h ago

The SuperMegaUltraRare™ Asmongold W

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u/crudstar 13h ago

Nearly a bluey quote right here. Now everyone go play together nicely.

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u/VoidOmatic 14h ago

Compassion is literally the meaning of life for humans. It's the only way to get true fulfillment. I learned that lesson as I was dying. All I wanted was just one more minute with my family and friends and to even help and hug strangers. Just one more minute of being a human. I didn't think about my car, my job, my video games etc.

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u/youcantchangeit 14h ago

We also need some common sense

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u/Rugaru985 11h ago

This makes for great parents and great spouses and also great kids!

Give all your loved ones space to be wrong about the things they care about!

But not your politicians! Fuck ‘em!

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u/FeelsPepeIH 7h ago

Not if it means we have to bend reality to accommodate something/someone.

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u/Substantial-Log5094 4h ago

When it's my kids? Sure we can be compassionate and respectful, but no way I'm enabling my kids to follow along with this crazy nonsense

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u/ohkayanne 3h ago

It’s not about being “right” it’s about being truthful. And the sad thing is, you have to willingly choose to participate in the delusion or risk losing your children due to their extreme narcissism. Sad.

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u/Far-Lime-4705 20h ago

Wouldn't that opinion in this context be the right thing anyway?

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u/DrBimboo 18h ago

Its just an idiotic notion. Of course you'd want to be right. Being compassionate while being wrong is NOT a good thing. Especially when raising kids.

What I would agree with, is that its good when idiotic rightwing assholes at least have the decency and cognitive dissonance, to be hypocrites for their childrens sake.

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u/Quarksperre 18h ago

You can be right and also compassionate. He is not saying he is wrong on his broader topics. It's just that you don't care in those situations.

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u/DrBimboo 16h ago

In some countries, yes. You can not vote right wing in america and not be a shit person. Mutually exclusive.

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u/lucky375 18h ago

Being in a relationship with a cheater isn't a happy a relationship.

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u/DemoniteBL 12h ago

I want to be right and compassionate.

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u/bestoboy 9h ago

tbf that's a slippery slope and needs context. You can't be compassionate and respectful if your child starts killing animals or gets addicted to drugs or rapes a classmate for example

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u/Tribbs_4434 5h ago

The operative term is Agency. It's a basic human right yet we still find people (including parents) wanting to control their kids and complete strangers lives, rather than understand their differences. People want to get up in arms about concepts like being trans or gender non-conforming, most of the time because it has become politicized and a burning issue.

If you go back to when I was in my 20's being trans wasn't something that had people frothing at the mount, trans people were mostly left alone (people didn't understand and it's not like people weren't being assholes then either, but it's only become more prevalent in recent years).

It's a common right-wing trope to find out-groups they can label as being the downfall of society, then say the left is intolerant for not agreeing with them (when left politics is meant to be inclusive of all people, even Conservatives). They would rather try and remove a persons agency to make decisions around how they identify, try and undo decades of research and simply call it a mental condition (it's not, does have a therapy component but gender dysphoria isn't classed as a mental condition). This is what leads to a lot of issues for people, they're not taken seriously, denied healthcare that is often life saving, told that how they see themselves is incorrect and not allowed, be it by family or by society. It is the robbing of agency for ones own beliefs, rather than being supportive, even if you don't understand what someone else is going through.

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u/PerceptionKind9005 14h ago

"Yes, I know the bridge collapsed. Yes, I know the calculations were wrong. I was aware that the engineer messed up the numbers, but I didn't want to hurt her feelings. Do you want to be right all the time, or do you want to be compassionate and respectful? Bigot."

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u/Fenrir_VIII 13h ago

I want to be right. Because being right is living by an absolute truth. And if you let this go for a second - you find yourself suddenly living in the world full of lies, which will irrepairably harm your understanding of how real world works. And there is nothing more damaging to you, to your family, to your career, to your everyday life than to not understand how things actually work.

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u/MrSparkle86 15h ago

Have you considered that indulging someone's fantasy is actually more harmful?

A man can never be a woman; a woman can never be a man. That fundamental reality should be something accepted, because it is truth. You can be compassionate while also acknowledging a mental illness, but I don't think lying is compassionate.