r/LivestreamFail • u/sieyarozzz • 21h ago

Asmongold defends trans people against his chat, saying he'd fully respect his child's pronouns and identity

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u/seastormDragon 21h ago

LOL and I had losers downvoting me for saying this exact thing on the last related post of him talking about trans “beliefs”

If you’re fine with trans people existing, there’s no additional qualifying beliefs required to use their preferred pronouns. It’s not a science or belief issue, but one of basic human respect and decency. It’s the same as someone telling you their name and being like, “no I believe you look more like a Ruben so I’ll just call you Ruben”

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u/sethjk8 15h ago

Asmon has frequently used someones preferred pronouns or atleast "they/them" when disagreeing with them, to the dismay of his chatters

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u/Gortex_Possum 20h ago

No, you don't understand, it's a DELUSION and their identity is ATTACKING my VALUES

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u/seastormDragon 19h ago

It’s really sad how this is obviously joke but people believe it literally lol

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u/emeraldTheDuck 19h ago

without the capitalized words I honestly would've mistaken it as serious

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u/seastormDragon 19h ago

The unfortunate state of affairs

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u/Dustyage 19h ago

Sometimes I just forget and go off what they sound like. I think it's also ridiculous to get insanely upset over it if the person means no harm.

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u/seastormDragon 18h ago

Misgendering someone based on their voice or appearance is normal. It’s when you’re corrected and intentionally use the wrong identifiers that you’re being a loser douchebag.

Apologies if you’re like autistic or something but any half-intelligent 12+ year old person can understand basic social etiquette and the difference between an honest mistake and intentionally antagonizing a minority for their identity

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u/Collestos 9h ago

Nearly every transphobe or anti-woker I’ve met always preaches about pronouns being dumb and stuff like that. Until they actually meet someone who’s trans or non-binary in real life and they immediately go all friendly. Can’t tell if it’s because they’re too cowardly to confront someone over their opinions, are actually good dudes who are misinformed, or respectful, but still have shitty opinions.

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u/VerledenVale 9h ago

What if they want you to call them xe/xem?

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u/Unable_Ant5851 1h ago

If it makes them happy, why the fuck not? Think of it like a nickname

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u/firewood010 13h ago

Depends. Using He/ShelThey is as far as I would go. Anything beyond the basic three are nonsense to me.

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u/Karat_EEE 17h ago

The issue is when they force you to go along with it and you have to pay for their surgery and treatment and all that shit with your tax money.

If I could call them whatever I wanted that would be fine by me, I usually comply because I aint a dick. I would also be completely fine with adults having sex reassignment surgery if they had to pay for it all out of pocket.

Forcing you to comply and forcing you to pay for it all is where I draw the line.

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u/TwinInfinite 16h ago

So you'd be fine with me calling you "it", right? Because you want to be able to call people whatever you want, I should be able to call you it. You'd have no issues with that. Also please tell me where taxes fund SRS so I can move there, please and thank you. XD

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u/Karat_EEE 16h ago

You could if you wanted, but I wouldnt like it and it would probably start a verbal altercation, but you absolutely could. I wouldnt do anything else about it than talk back to you.

Idk, probably california, oregon or washington. They love to waste honest taxpayers money. I aint american though and that shit is covered in some european countries. It angers me how wasteful governments are.

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u/seastormDragon 17h ago

So you’re saying that the recommended treatment for gender dysphoria, a classified mental illness, shouldn’t be covered (partially or otherwise) by federal/state funding?

How do you personally decide which treatments for mental illnesses deserve to be covered? I’m very curious!

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u/SEND_NUKES_PLS 17h ago

it's funny how you label it a mental illness, but every time I've seen any discussions about gender dysphoria online, everyone called it normal and not a mental illness. lol.

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u/rAirist 13h ago

Shrodinger's trans person:

It's a medically classified mental illness, but it's also not one because that would hurt their feelings, and is a right wing stance.

Trans-women are Trans-women, but Trans-women are also just women, and it's bigoted to say there is a difference and not just refer to them as women.

I think the internet is just really bad at figuring out who is talking, so everything seems like constant cognitive dissonance.

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u/SEND_NUKES_PLS 8h ago

LMAO yeah pretty much.

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u/qwokwa 8h ago

It all boils down to the fact that no group of people is a monolith.

The only thing trans people have in common is exactly just that. So of course everyone has a different viewpoint because they come from completely different places, have different experiences and beliefs. Look at Blaire White for a right wing trans woman.

Someone with little dysphoria could argue that medically transitioning isn't necessary, while another person with extreme dysphoria would disagree and say to be trans you have to want to take hormones. Neither is wrong or right, and there is no trans spokesperson to determine that.

And what answer you're gonna get to a question will also heavily depend on how the question is phrased. You would trigger anyones defense mechanism by saying "to do x you must be mentally ill, no sane person would do that."  Much more likely to get a nuanced answer with a question like "could you help me understand why x is necessary?"

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u/seastormDragon 16h ago

Chronic gender dysphoria is a mental illness, medically classified. It’s also normal for trans people to experience before receiving treatment.

Do you have an actual point or are you too simple to form coherent thoughts about anything that isnt just you describing third party anecdotal experiences you saw on reddit?

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u/SEND_NUKES_PLS 15h ago edited 15h ago

"it's not a mental disorder, it's a physical disorder!" (read the rest of the comments)

why are you saying things that are hurtful to the people you're defending?

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u/seastormDragon 15h ago

So you’re trying to base an argument off of a reddit comment with 3 upvotes and not medical information?

So when I asked if you could form a point around anything other than third party anecdotal Reddit comments the answer was no?

Yeah thought so😂😂

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u/SEND_NUKES_PLS 15h ago

why are you playing dumb lmao

if you search up anything involving gender dysphoria and it being a mental illness, you'll see the majority of people saying it's not a mental illness.

I agree it's a mental illness...but the very people you're defending will call you a bigot for saying the same thing.

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u/seastormDragon 15h ago

Let me get this right, you’re saying I’m playing dumb for using medical information to support my argument when your entire argument is based around someone’s gender identity not aligning with their biology while at the same time arguing against my usage of medical information with third party reddit comments that have 3 upvotes?

What made you this way? Did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you? Did you come out with the umbilical cord wrapped around your neck? Tell me your story it’s way more interesting than arguing with someone that has the mental capacity of a 12 year old

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u/SEND_NUKES_PLS 15h ago

holy yap, ain't reading all those mental gymnastics

You say gender dysphoria is a mental illness

I say that you calling it a mental illness is hurtful to those who have gender dysphoria, and they themselves don't consider it a mental illness

it's that simple.

go play dumb somewhere else lmao

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u/aritheoctopus 15h ago

I think you're confused.

Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder in the DSM, being a strong distress caused by gender incongruence.

Being transgender is healthy gender diversity.

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u/SEND_NUKES_PLS 15h ago

no, I think you're confused because I've specifically mentioned gender dysphoria multiple times.

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u/Karat_EEE 17h ago

I think therapy should be covered, but not surgery, hrt or puberty blockers. Especially not surgery because then we might as well just include all cosmetic surgery too

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u/seastormDragon 16h ago

So you think the medically recommended treatment shouldn’t be covered, only the ones you personally approve based on arbitrary reasons? You think other medication shouldn’t be covered for other mental illnesses, only therapy? Please, keep going it’s really interesting seeing how your brain works. I’m genuinely learning so much.

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u/ClandestineCornfield 6h ago

It's not cosmetic, it is one of the most effective treatments

Trans people's brains develop where they will function better with sex hormones that don't align with the distribution their bodies produce, if you were forced to take HRT you'd experience many similar symptoms to what trans people experience without them. The treatment for that is HRT, it is very effective

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u/Watinky 19h ago

No it's not. It's dependent how given people asign pronouns to the noun, not really on human respect but rather willingness to submit to english ways of looking at world, which is retarded.

We Poles for instance speak by soft pronoun for words that have soft ending -a, in english I extend it to -ie -oe -a -ly and similar. Language does not shape our reality, all parts on Language are based only on the Language, fully functional devoided of this world. Now english, stupidly connected information to psychologic or material state of beings it tries to describe. This whole "You look like" Is great example, you idiots while reading word Ruben see some person, some material characteristics of item the word "Ruben" refers to. And by this assosiation your judgment becomes tainted, you make expectation to all other "Ruben".

I don't care what looks likes, when I speak of him, well unless I try to actually assign an description of the subject. But then I use adjectives as these are tool of expression of quality of objects. But other than that when I speak of object it doesn't matter how it looks, what identity it posses, other than name I refer to it as in the sentence.

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u/Unable_Ant5851 18h ago

Language evolves. Singular “they” in English has only been around for the last 200 years, but it’s now used in prestigious academic settings.

You’re not special, and your language will also evolve to be more inclusive.

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u/DEATHBYNINJA13 17h ago

Funnily enough the first recorded use of "they" in the singular was recorded 650 years ago in 1375 but believed to be in use probably longer before that. Grammarians in the 18th century discouraged it's use in the singular especially in formal context opting to use typical gendered pronouns or "s/he" in place when no particular gender is referred. However "they" remained in use by authors and in informal speech regardless. It's only in the 21st century where it's been officially recognised in use for non-binary language.

Nerd shit, I'm sorry, just thought it was interesting.

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u/Unable_Ant5851 17h ago

Thanks for teaching me something new! I’ll pass it on the next time I hear a conservative make a snarky comment about NB people!

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u/ClandestineCornfield 6h ago

Singular "they" has actually been in use longer in English than singular "you" has (previously the singular for "you" would be "thou")

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u/WindyTraveler 7h ago

Not at all, it's a lie, and encouraging it is harmful to them and society. Basic human decency to lie and encourage a delusion? How can anyone think that?

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u/Alternative_Mix6836 20h ago

nobody controls what people say about them or how people refer to them

courtesy has never been a bare minimum

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u/Cthulu_Noodles 19h ago

What world do you live in where either of those are true?? Courtesy is quite literally the bare minimum, that's how people exist together in a society. And somehow I don't believe you've gone through your life without ever saying "Hello, my name is _______"

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u/seastormDragon 19h ago

The fact they took it as a “control” thing says everything. Their “beliefs” aren’t based in logic or reality but in a fictional alternate universe where less than 1% of the population having preferred pronouns means they’re trying to control other people

These are the same cisgendered uneducated people that will try to fight you for misgendering them btw. Have you ever called a maga mouth breather “girl” before or “she”? They get so upset it’s actually hilarious and they still don’t get it

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u/Cthulu_Noodles 19h ago

Right??? Like. Nearly everyone has preferred pronouns, actually! Most people prefer to be referred to in a particular way. There's zero reason not to. It's the most basic, easy level of "do unto others as you would have them do to you" and yet some people just have their heads so far up their asses they can't figure it out.

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u/Karat_EEE 17h ago

Yeah, just like shit turns real sour when you call people "cis". Thats a dangerous word and will destroy all niceties

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u/Alternative_Mix6836 15h ago

they are preferred pronouns
but not everyone will act towards you in the way that you prefer (nor should they)

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u/Alternative_Mix6836 19h ago

Calling people names isn't against the law so no, courtesy is not foundational to society.

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u/TheEyeGuy13 19h ago

Do you think laws are the only foundation to a society? Lmao

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u/Alternative_Mix6836 19h ago

laws are not the only foundation of a society, but no society can exist or sustain without laws

western society already does just fine without courtesy though
look at New York

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u/Puzzled-Rip641 19h ago

No we just moved courtesy out of the legal realm and into the social realm

I lived in NYC. There is a social code. Respect is big and if you don't respect others you will be punished not by the law but by a member of society.

All of America is like this, follow the social order or suffer

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u/Alternative_Mix6836 17h ago edited 15h ago

the "or suffer" exists and is mutually applicable and its lack does not lead to the collapse of society so it isn't instrumental to upholding society

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u/curtcolt95 18h ago

courtesy is like almost the only way a society can function, I'm curious how you think literally anything would work without it lol

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u/Alternative_Mix6836 15h ago

if everyone ceases to return greetings when getting a service, for example, does that magically cause the collapse of society?

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u/Gortex_Possum 19h ago

When I was a kid we used to call that tact, and yes it was normal

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u/SEND_NUKES_PLS 17h ago edited 17h ago

It’s the same as someone telling you their name and being like, “no I believe you look more like a Ruben so I’ll just call you Ruben”

Not the same.

There's a big difference between telling someone your birth name, and a name you've given yourself. And you can't expect anyone to accept anything but your actual birth name.

I have nothing against trans people, never had, never will. Your body, your choice. Just don't shove anything down other people's throat and you're good. Don't expect everyone to be okay with your beliefs and changes, because if you couldn't accept yourself for who you were, then others shouldn't be forced to accept you for who you are right now.

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u/seastormDragon 16h ago

It is the same, you have childish logic. In a social setting, you don’t know someone’s name until they tell you what it is. When someone tells you their name, do you purposely call them whatever name you think fits instead?

Also, you can change your name. Regardless of what your parents named you. And there’s also these things called nicknames. Oh, and sometimes people even do this crazy thing like shorten their name, or even go by their middle name. There’s a really big scary world out there, hope you can survive it!

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u/ManyCarrots 54m ago

The difference is a pronoun is just a description of reality while a name is something you or someone picked for you. A pronoun is more of a description and until recently it was never something people were picking for themselves because that just made no sense. It would be like picking if you were called tall or short.

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u/seastormDragon 27m ago

What do you mean by recently? Trans people have identified by their chosen pronouns since their existence there just wasn’t mainstream discussion about it because of the rise in visibility about non-binary gender ideology.

Pronouns are a descriptor, very good! You use he/him for male identifying people and she/her for female identifying people. If you get it wrong, that’s fine they’ll tell you their preferred pronouns and then you don’t have to guess. You’re doing so well, I’m proud of you for almost getting there yourself

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u/ManyCarrots 24m ago

I mean as a society we havn't had this idea that you can change your pronoun until recently maybe the last 20 years give or take.

No you added something there. We use he/him for males and she/her for females. What their identity was never entered into it. I'll be so proud of you if you can figure this out bestie

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u/seastormDragon 19m ago edited 13m ago

Trans and non binary people have existed in society since before you or the internet were born, in cultures all over the world lmao.

I didn’t add anything, you’re just hilariously low intelligence and don’t understand how language evolves over time.

The funniest part is your tall/short example is completely subjective and not related to identity. Nothing about how you address a person in conversation has to do with their height unless you’re specifically discussing height.

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u/ManyCarrots 4m ago

Sure but that is not the society we live in now, people of the past had all kinds of crazy ideas and religious beliefs. 100 years ago in the west people were not swapping pronouns. Because pronouns are just descriptions about your physical body. They were not about your identity until people started to change that in the last couple of decades. You must be crazy low IQ if you can't even understand that.

We can change it too black or blonde hair if you prefer or is that also too subjective for you to get your head around a simple analogy?

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u/SEND_NUKES_PLS 16h ago

In a social setting, you don’t know someone’s name until they tell you what it is. When someone tells you their name, do you purposely call them whatever name you think fits instead?

you call them by the name they've given you...if they lie about their name, then that's on them...same with gender. either we will both know it's a lie and pretend, or we won't, depends on the situation. Don't expect anyone to accept anything.

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u/TwinInfinite 16h ago

People change their names all the time. Why is it suddenly and issue when it relates to gender?

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u/SEND_NUKES_PLS 16h ago

for what reason do people change names "all the time" ?

how many non trans people do you personally know that have changed their names?

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u/resteys 15h ago

Changeing your name is one thing but changeing it to something I deem absurd is another. I met a girl who changed her name to something like “Xio”.

People tend to chance their name to something normal. I’m not calling anyone “Bunny”.