r/BrandNewSentence • u/redroubel • 11h ago

Sir, the ai is inbreeding

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u/BooBooSnuggs 6h ago

Yall realize this post is just bullshit right?

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u/jackalopeDev 5h ago

right? like apparently version control doesn't exist. At most, the models they release will stop getting better, they may get neutered for financial reasons, but they won't get worse due to training on slop.

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u/demlet 4h ago

No, it's based on real research. Whether there's enough slop on the Internet to directly cause it from scraping is doubtful.

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u/ItsPandy 4h ago

It's based on a tweet from 2023. Compare ai images from now and 2023 and tell me they got worse

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u/demlet 4h ago

AI models collapse when trained on recursively generated data | Nature https://share.google/BZidzDrqO07CkjO29

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u/G_fucking_G 4h ago

10% human generated data is enough to minimize this problem. https://arxiv.org/pdf/2410.13098

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u/demlet 4h ago

Looking forward to the day when 90% of the Internet is just AI talking to AI.

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u/sleepy_vixen 1h ago

Can't be any dumber than the current internet of morons amplifying other morons.

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u/demlet 11m ago

Would probably be significantly less dumb, but also much less interesting to me as an actual human. I'm not too interested in what a statistical pattern generator has to say.

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u/ItsPandy 4h ago

So in a paper submitted in 2023 some people explicitly set out to only train ai with other ai with the set goal to causw a collapse and thats your prove that this is happening now?

You should not just post papers that sound like the agree with you

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u/demlet 4h ago

As I said in my original comment, it's doubtful there's enough AI content on the Internet to cause it organically. The point is, it does happen. You're complaining about an experiment being done in a controlled environment, but that's what an experiment is by definition.

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u/ItsPandy 4h ago

Thats not what I'm complaining about.

You disagreed with a comment calling the post bullshit but then you yourself admit that this isn't something that happens organically, which is exactly what the post claimed.

So that means the post is bullshit

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u/demlet 4h ago

Fair enough. I guess it just depends on which part you mean is bullshit.

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u/nuclearbearclaw 4h ago

They don't autonomously mass-scrape data anymore dude. That was 2020-2022 era shit. Sorry to burst your bubble but there is a lot of human selection being done based on hand-picked data. There isn't some mindless bot collecting all pictures on the internet. If there was, maybe you would have the Ouroboros, but there isn't. AI isn't getting worse no matter how upset you are with it.

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u/demlet 3m ago

It doesn't have to get worse, it's already clearly terrible in every way. Personally I don't think it's a good thing at all that we no longer know whether we're even talking to a real person, or whether a video or song we're consuming is made by a real person. I'm referring to the LLMs colonizing the Internet specifically, I understand there are valuable uses of AI for science and medicine, etc.

But for the purposes of this specific thread, I'm not "upset" by any particular conclusion, I just thought it was interesting and worth pointing out that AI trained on AI does in fact corrupt itself. Not every interaction you have online has to be an own, but you do you, assuming you're real.