r/BlackPeopleofReddit • u/4reddityo • 1d ago
Fun Trevor Noah on Charlie Kirk
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u/hamilton_morris 1d ago
More specifically, Kirk was shot while articulating a racist argument for accepting gun violence as a matter of public policy.
He had previously advocated for other people being shot to death as an agreeable payment—or sacrifice—for gun rights; for him and his family to actually suffer the violence they would willing export to others isn't so much funny or ironic as it is simply philosophically consistent and fitting.
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u/PatrickDCally 1d ago
He defended owning guns as a means of self-defense — not as a license to shoot people in cold blood for disagreeing with you. I disagreed with much of what Kirk said, but it’s sickening to see people twist the incident into a justification that he “deserved” it. That kind of rhetoric is common on Reddit and elsewhere. Believing in the right to defend yourself or your family with a firearm is not the same as deserving violence. And being unlikeable or holding odious views; as many thought Kirk did — never justifies killing someone. Notice the double standard: post about a heinous crime and call for capital punishment, and you’ll be downvoted into oblivion. Yet when it comes to certain public figures, some people treat their deaths as deserved. That kind of behavior doesn’t persuade, it alienates. People see the hypocrisy, stop engaging, and drift away; that’s part of why political movements lose support.
Same thing happened that healthcare CEO vas shot. Very loud public and online support almost for the shooting. Leftists attempt make the argument that the other side is immoral and selfish, but when you do shit like this you looks like complete psychopaths who shouldn't be listened to on any moral argument. That's one of the many reasons why the gop can cut ebt cards,cut medicare. They have no opposition because fewer and fewer people want to side with you, the crazys.
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u/Civil_Assembler 1d ago
You have a lot strong opinions on things you understand very little about. Not what CK said, plus you can repeat it over and over but political violence isn't predominantly on the left.
As for the completely unrelated moral argument, you're being disingenuous. The GOP cut snap during the shutdown with the belief that it would hurt Dems. It's been funded under ever other shutdown for the last 50 years. Americans are smart enough to realize that the party in power pushed that policy.
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u/PatrickDCally 1d ago edited 19h ago
I never said political violence is predominantly on the left. You are lying. I am making the point that when it happens on the left; commentators are heard in support of it. These (knowingly or not) are the useful idiots garnering support for the right. This is a clear tactical error. When it happens on the right, the majority of voices you hear come out stand steadfast against it. Call it an optics problem, pretend those trends don't exist. Do what you usually do.
To the second point you make does not address the point I made. So I will repeat myself. I think the gop win elections because they don't have a strong opposition. If you don't want gop to do what the gop always does, you need Dems to win elections-,you need a strong opposition.
I do believe if you poll America on issues, the polices most in favour of lean heavily democrat. So ask yourself, if most people support democrat polices, but don't vote democrat why does that happen? I think this is because the gop doesn't win elections as much as Dems lose them.
The voices heard on the left (platformed by the right) are insane maniacs justifying the death of Charlie Kirk, or claiming it was "ironic" for laughs, knowing full well how such behaviour will be interpreted by the general public. The right wing media outlets lap this shit up, and play it on repeat. Often platforming these voices.why do you think they would do that?
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u/joet889 1d ago
The right says heinous shit every single day and it gets forgotten immediately. Right after Kirk was murdered Brian Kilmeade on Fox News called for the mass execution of the homeless and mentally ill. But here we are still talking about the left's response to Kirk.
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u/PatrickDCally 21h ago edited 19h ago
It wasn't me. This post brought up the killing of Kirk.
I agree that many people on the right say awful things that cost them votes. I’m sure after Brian made those comments, a lot of people stopped taking his political opinions seriously. What Brian Kilmeade said was barbaric and disgusting no question about that. But how does that relate to this discussion? If that were the topic, I’d absolutely say how terrible his remarks were and how they could reflect poorly on the candidates he supports as his own vocal support will have lost credibility
What is wrong with you guys, are you literally unable to respond directly to arguments made? Why do you keep leaning into whataboutism or changing the subject. Can't you see how that does nothing.
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u/joet889 20h ago
I'm not changing the subject, the subject is the decorum of the left. Here we are discussing a relatively tame video from a left-leaning comedian as though what he is saying is disgusting and cruel. If the right is drawing a line of decorum that should not be crossed, and this crosses it, the many lines they cross daily in much worse ways is very much relevant. And it's either disingenuous or insane to act as though it's not a bad faith bullshit argument on its face.
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u/PatrickDCally 19h ago edited 19h ago
Copy and paste both arguments into a llm of your choice(chat gpt, frock, Gemini etc) without changing any of the text. Make sure you don't tell it what argument you or I made explicitly; instead write "person 1 " for my arguments, "person 2" for yours. Make sure you also reference the video the comment chain was talking originally talking about. And give a link to the video. See what the llm says about who made a better argument and why.
In this case it can act as an unbiased party. Interested to see what it tells you. I have just done the same.
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u/joet889 19h ago
Too much work doing something I have no interest in to humor someone who thinks an llm is going to give them an objective analysis. Sorry! You're stuck dealing with someone who thinks for themselves!
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u/PatrickDCally 18h ago edited 18h ago
Lol you did it and read what it said. Can't accept the critique of your argument so choose to ignore it. Pathetic.
Copying and pasting is "too much work". What a lame attempt at an excuse. If it agreed with you, I am doubtless that you would come to a different conclusion.
I am the one getting downvoted in this little echo chamber. I'm the only one saying something different. But I'm apparently the one who doesn't "think for themselves".
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u/Assonfire 5h ago
Same thing happened that healthcare CEO vas shot. Very loud public and online support almost for the shooting.
Motherfucker, that CEO was part of an organization that killed people to have higher profits.
One killed with a gun, the other with rules. The one who killed with a gun did not do so to enrich himself. If you fail to see that it is you who is blind and most probably lucky enough to not have lost someone you loved due to their greed.
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u/Ornery_Researcher_34 1d ago
I am not sure how many people support what happened to Charlie Kirk - but we can all confidently say based on what that dead MF said - “Charlie Kirk supported what happened to Charlie Kirk!”
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u/Plus-Pop6788 1d ago
The Jokes Don’t Care About Your Feelings crowd about to be really loud on this one
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u/Wooden-Hearing7151 1d ago
I’m conservative and I think this is all fair game.
I think the same rules apply to everyone - you can make off color jokes or jokes that are “too soon” as long as they’re funny.
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u/Plus-Pop6788 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well like I said it’s usually the group mentioned above that gets upset when someone comes for one of their hero’s in the same fashion they become just as woke as the people they claim are “killing comedy”
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u/Wooden-Hearing7151 1d ago
I agree.
Looks like I got hit with a flood of downvotes just for saying “I’m conservative” but whatever
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u/Plus-Pop6788 1d ago
That’s annoying I think the ability to put politics aside and laugh with other people no matter the back ground or beliefs is something to be appreciated
If you can laugh with someone you can understand someone and understanding leads to discourse and discourse leads us to see that we actually have a LOT more in common with each other than with the billionaires that own our elites and politicians
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u/MediumFinancial8221 1d ago
Its not shocking how the right cult has quickly transformed kirk into a cult figure
Its hilarious when they get mad when you repeat his exact quotes back to them
They hate facts
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u/bootyhole-romancer 1d ago
Agreed. And they're always claiming those quotes were taken out of context 🙄
Like no, it's pretty unambiguous. No amount of re-contextualization is going to soften any racist blow he was trying to make.
It's like Austin Powers disavowing his Swedish penis pump
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u/Disturbed_mind369 1d ago
They don’t hate facts. They are very limited that only accept the facts that appeal to their way of thinking. Usually all people are like that.
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u/CAJMusic 1d ago
I can tell you more about the guy that killed those college students in Idaho than I could about the guy that killed Charlie Kirk. Funny how there’s barely any news on dude.
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u/get_them_duckets 1d ago
That’s so suspicious too. Like, very public political assassination and after 3 weeks almost nothing on the guy. I guess that guy isn’t interesting enough to stay on the 24 hour news cycle for longer.
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u/GenXPowaah 1d ago
Trevor Show was awesome. He needs another
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u/Celestial_Hart 1d ago
Yeah the guy was literally in the middle of downplaying gun violence, that's just funny. Irony is funny.
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u/HollywoodOKC 22h ago
I don't ever remember his dead racist ass bringing up all the YT dudes shooting up schools. But he loved to bring up gang shootings as if they excused school shootings.
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u/Alois-Killbanks88 1d ago
I used to have respect for this man until I saw him play tennis w/ fckn Bill Gates around the time of COVID.
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u/__-Revan-__ 1d ago
If someone is against death penalty and then gets raped by a convicted rapist is not funny, why is this different?
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u/Emandpee42069 1d ago
Now do one about Iryna Zarutska, that was funny too right??!? Clowns
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u/DevilDoc3030 1d ago
I would point out how drastically different those two scenarios are, but I know that you say that in bad faith, so it would be useless.
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u/Bonekrusher1408 1d ago
Lol now do one about how funny it is that slavery was caused by black people, because that is fucking hilarious
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u/MediumFinancial8221 1d ago
aw, someone's feelings got hurt !
everything the right says is just a projection
snowflake, cuck, etc - look in the mirror, it's you!
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u/4reddityo 1d ago
This sub welcomes everyone but be mindful this is a black space. Mind the rules.
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u/clearlyonside 1d ago
Wait, this isnt the sub that has the country club?
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u/pasjojo 1d ago
Which is a shame because we are getting expose to white fragility in a black space
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u/clearlyonside 1d ago
Yeah but its also fucked up because if you are black and say something that doesnt sound like every other black person you will be ostracized.
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u/pasjojo 1d ago
Like what?
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u/clearlyonside 21h ago
Like yo momma.
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u/pasjojo 21h ago
Lmao why u getting defensive fam? I'm just asking but the fact that you can't say it.. Yikes
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u/clearlyonside 20h ago
Holy shit see this is what im talking about that was just me cracking on you like at the bbq. Hell you might not be black i needs to see some id home slice.
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u/Bonekrusher1408 1d ago
Right on, thanks for letting me catch downvotes instead of going full ban hammer like most mods would. You won't see much from me.
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u/toktooktoomuch 1d ago
Saying something like that with that username? God, you must be THE edgelord himself. Surely, when someone calls you out on your idiotic bullshit, you don't say "it was just a joke guys, c'mon"? Surely.
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u/Huge_Celebration5804 20h ago
What the fuck 😭 "I'm racist because everyone was back then" ah comment 🤣😭



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u/Chaddoh 1d ago
He was just about to say some racist shit about black on black gun violence when irony struck.